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Re: Post progress on msn dsl 1000 here! I was on the phone with MSN technical support yesterday going through this whole deal. They said that the primary driver behind getting »dslprofile.msn.com/ up so that we could flash the MSN 1000 is gamers leaving MSN because they can't play. That was one technician. He also said that the site should be up by the end of the month. That was on July 10.
My recommendation would be to call in and tell them that you will choose another ISP if they can't meet your needs. Money is the bottom line after all, right? |
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My recommendation would be to call in and tell them that you will choose another ISP if they can't meet your needs. Money is the bottom line after all, right?
You are right, and you are wrong. Money is no doubt at the root of the issue. However, the problem is that OUR money is of no consequence to MSN. I expect that the VAST majority of MSN customers are quite happy with their service.
Most MSN customers haven't even heard of online gaming, or running web servers. Those of us who have issue with things like NAT are like voices crying in the wilderness. Besides, think of the can-of-worms that MSN will open if they give us the ability to turn off NAT; with their millions of customers and having been burned so many times by security issues.
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corms
join:2002-01-06
East Bay, NS | reply to GreenyMP
Hello all, As a small Defence to MSN, We are all here bashing the crap out of the modem and the company when we ourselves can not properly open ports on the modem, MSN never made the DSL 1000, ACTON (SP?) Made it Including the origional flash of the modem. We are opening the ports and having our modem lose internet connection and crap out and need to reset them, the programmers are having that same problem, so rather than us all bashing someone why not just cancel the service and go to another provider? Why do we not do that because we all love to just bitch bitch bitch. There is no other reason. I am a gamer and for one will not use DSL of any kind I am cable and there is nothing better. I am getting 5-7 MegaBits download and 1-3 Megabits upload.. (Keeping in mind that if you are living in a qwest state you max speeds with MSN are (0.6 MegaBits....) I am also only paying 30.00/month for 5 Megabit(Transfers 500Kbytes/s [and yes it is BYTES not BITS] and more, also VERY stable)(I Downladed media player 9 the other day at 692Kbytes/s) as compaired to 50.00/month for (lets work it out [640kbits / 8 = 80Kbytes/sec MAX] You'll probably never see that speed maybe 24-60Kbytes), so if you are a real hardcode gamer, then you are noting going to be very liked in the gaming world with a ping time through the roof, hell might as well just go back to dialup... |
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kudos:3 | There may be other reasons, i.e. what if that is the only provider in their area. In general, people complain when they are not happy, not just to complain. |
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Kioti
join:2003-08-03
Saint Helens, OR | reply to corms
"Hello all, As a small Defence to MSN, We are all here bashing the crap out of the modem and the company when we ourselves can not properly open ports on the modem, MSN never made the DSL 1000, ACTON (SP?) Made it Including the origional flash of the modem. We are opening the ports and having our modem lose internet connection and crap out and need to reset them, the programmers are having that same problem, so rather than us all bashing someone why not just cancel the service and go to another provider? Why do we not do that because we all love to just bitch bitch bitch. There is no other reason. I am a gamer and for one will not use DSL of any kind I am cable and there is nothing better. I am getting 5-7 MegaBits download and 1-3 Megabits upload.. (Keeping in mind that if you are living in a qwest state you max speeds with MSN are (0.6 MegaBits....) I am also only paying 30.00/month for 5 Megabit(Transfers 500Kbytes/s [and yes it is BYTES not BITS] and more, also VERY stable)(I Downladed media player 9 the other day at 692Kbytes/s) as compaired to 50.00/month for (lets work it out [640kbits / 8 = 80Kbytes/sec MAX] You'll probably never see that speed maybe 24-60Kbytes), so if you are a real hardcode gamer, then you are noting going to be very liked in the gaming world with a ping time through the roof, hell might as well just go back to dialup..."
Then maybe MSN could let people know of the defect before they lock them into the 1 year contract? Or maybe just allow people who are obviously having issues after the fact out of their contract? Or maybe provide those people with a functional modem? But MSN does none of these things. And they sell the service fully aware that they are deceiving people when they allow them to sign the contract without divulging the issues they are having with the modems. Thats close to fraud in my book and while it may not be vile enough to be against the law it is more than enough to piss people off and make them feel abused and misled.
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Kioti
join:2003-08-03
Saint Helens, OR | And where are you paying 30.00us a month for cable? Comcast is 52.00us a month here and thats only if your a cable tv customer. And I dont even think that includes the cable lease.
~Kioti |
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corms
join:2002-01-06
East Bay, NS | reply to Kioti
No offense but before you bark do some research.. MSN does not put people on contract other companies do.... DSL is monthly charges and if you call qwest for example to signup for service you are put on a monthly charge for the service there is no 1 year lock on any DSL Accounts. Why do you think that BestBuy is being sued? They are selling contracts to people Even without computers and MSN has been working with these customer due to Bestbuy's practices. However if you were a company and i ordered something from you, kept it for say 6 months and then call you and said i do not want this why are you charging, the chances you would refund my money is not likly, how do you know i have not used it for the last 6 months.... If you call MSN and you are on a contract, you are DIALUP.. I once worked for them awhile ago and also Qwest and do not even recall a DSL contract only DIAL.. I agree that the practices may be shady to some people (usually the ones who want what they do not have or the ones who think they know it all, which are the same ones who come on these message boards and bi**h at the people who are doing the programming and stuff to try and crack the modems because they are not working fast enough either and that person wanted it yesterday), but the modems are not defective IT IS CALLED NAT, it is a major function in NETWORKING, been around forever.. close to 85% of MSN customers are older people or other that want to access their porn faster and do not care if the modem is firewalled and there is no secrets on it Again it is called NAT (NETWORK ADDRESS TRANSLATION). anyone with 1/2 a brain will know that if the modem is dropping a private ip it is running through NAT and that means firewall.. So f*** the complaining and do one of 2 things cancel the service If i was not getting what i wanted then I would cancel and go somewhere else or go to DIAL or you can go but a CISCO 678 they are 20 bucks on Ebay and are DMT modems, call MSN and get your KeyCodes (1 username and 2 is the password) and program the modem..
Here are the steps:
At the CBOS# (telnet 10.0.0.1 if you have an exec pass if not gotta use hyperterm)
SET NVRAM ERASE
set ppp wan0-0 ipcp 0.0.0.0
set ppp wan0-0 dns 0.0.0.0
SET PPP WAN0-0 LOGIN keycode1@msndsl.net
set ppp wan0-0 password keycode2
set password exec [make up a password]
set nat enable
set dhcp server enable
set web disable -- These lines were the quick fix
set web port 65000 -- for code red and are not necessary
write
reboot
now if the cbos is the newest version. go buy a router and do the following at the CBOS#
SET NAT ENTRY ADD 10.0.0.2
This will open all ports on the CISCO to 10.0.0.2..
Other wise if you want to use a hub, then port fowarding is the only option.. and that is not good for multiple computers as you can only open the ports to one computer. With a router you can DMZ one computer and open ports to another..
to just open a port..
SET NET ENTRY ADD 10.0.0.2 80 TCP
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SET NET ENTRY ADD 10.0.0.3 333 UDP
and then there are no worries, and MSN does support the cisco's as well. Now i know these will work in Qwest states but not sure on the other Telco's if the keycodes will work the same..
As for my cable, yes it is 30.00/month and includes the modem and there is no cable lease as well (Download is set at 6 MegaBits down and 3 MegaBits up) Till all the new fiber is install then the caps are expected to go to 12-18 Megabits down and 6-9 megabits up) for the same price..
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Kioti
join:2003-08-03
Saint Helens, OR | "No offense but before you bark do some research.. "
"or you can go but a CISCO 678 they are 20 bucks on Ebay "
Cisco 678 sell between 90 and 120 bucks on Ebay. Been trying to pick one up for about 2 weeks and none have closed under 80 or so dollars before shipping.
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was just scanning through the thread and read this (quoted below) and had to put in my two cents. Yes, Arescom produced, and wrote the firmware for the modem, but they wrote it according to specifations made by msn. I own a NetDSL 1000 purchased directly through Arescom, and it is fully configurable by telnet to internal port 23 of the modem. so it /IS/ msn's fault that your modems suck. :P
And btw i have Qwest DSL with MSN, and have a 7mbps connection from them. so :P
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Hello all, As a small Defence to MSN, We are all here bashing the crap out of the modem and the company when we ourselves can not properly open ports on the modem, MSN never made the DSL 1000, ACTON (SP?) Made it Including the origional flash of the modem. We are opening the ports and having our modem lose internet connection and crap out and need to reset them, the programmers are having that same problem, so rather than us all bashing someone why not just cancel the service and go to another provider? Why do we not do that because we all love to just bitch bitch bitch. There is no other reason. I am a gamer and for one will not use DSL of any kind I am cable and there is nothing better. I am getting 5-7 MegaBits download and 1-3 Megabits upload.. (Keeping in mind that if you are living in a qwest state you max speeds with MSN are (0.6 MegaBits....) I am also only paying 30.00/month for 5 Megabit(Transfers 500Kbytes/s [and yes it is BYTES not BITS] and more, also VERY stable)(I Downladed media player 9 the other day at 692Kbytes/s) as compaired to 50.00/month for (lets work it out [640kbits / 8 = 80Kbytes/sec MAX] You'll probably never see that speed maybe 24-60Kbytes), so if you are a real hardcode gamer, then you are noting going to be very liked in the gaming world with a ping time through the roof, hell might as well just go back to dialup... |
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join:2003-05-16
Rosemount, MN | Dream Reality is right, I switched providers and my new cable one is way way faster and even cheaper and the pings kick ass way over MSN |
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said by DreamReality:
Yes, Arescom produced, and wrote the firmware for the modem ... I own a NetDSL 1000
We aren't talking about the NetDSL 1000. I don't think MSN does not send that to their customers.
said by DreamReality:
it is fully configurable by telnet to internal port 23 of the modem.
Bummer! With the reflashed MSN 1000, it is fully configurable using HTTP. Kinda sucks that you had to spend money on your modem.
said by DreamReality:
so it IS msn's fault that your modems suck.
I don't think we have ever suggested otherwise.
said by DreamReality:
Hello all, As a small Defence to MSN, We are all here bashing the crap out of the modem and the company when we ourselves can not properly open ports on the modem
It isn't that we can't. It's that the way they are delivered, it is nearly IMPOSSIBLE.
The MSN DSL 1000 is an SMC 7401 with different colored plastic and bad firmware. Look at the SMC website if you don't believe me. Either it really is an SMC or the company that did produce the modem for MSN ripped of SMC's patent. They are identical! Once the MSN DSL 1000 is flashed, it is a fantastic modem, worth its weight in gold. (Thanks again to JEFE for the post. He cannot get enough credit for such a discovery)
said by DreamReality:
MSN never made the DSL 1000, ACTON (SP?) Made it Including the origional flash of the modem. We are opening the ports and having our modem lose internet connection and crap out and need to reset them
In all fairness, the NetDSL 800 and the MSN DSL 1000 (an SMC in sheep's clothing) crap out and lose the internet connection regardless of whether we try to open ports on it or not. So, you can't blame the need to reset the modem over and over on the fact that we are trying to open ports. As discussed above, once the 1000 is turned back into the SMC, it works flawlessly.
No, MSN isn't in the business of producing modems. They do, however, ask others to provide/design modems to their needs and specifications. MSN still required a modem that had a firewall. It is not known if they requested that it be non-configurable. If the modem did come from SMC (can't imagine it didn't or there will be future litigation) then it's MSN's fault for having non-stock firmware put in it. The SMC's stock firmware works just fine with the MSN network, and still has a full firewall/NAT. So why did they change it?
said by DreamReality:
Why not switch to another provider? Why do we not do that because we all love to just bitch bitch bitch. There is no other reason.
You aren't very insightful. The reason I couldn't change providers was that no other providers existed in my area. Sure, AT&T Cable Broadband was here, but the service was crappy. AT&T turned to Comcast (if I remember right) and weeks later was bought by Bresnan. Bresnan did not take new customers for about a year for their Cable Broadband service. They JUST recently opened it for new subscribers, and I got in on the deal.
I'm sure others have the same issues.
Sure, check DSLReports for ISPs offering service for 82070. DSLReports will list about 20 ISPs. I invite you to spend the 20 minutes on the phone with each ISP listed only to find out they don't offer servce. That's what I did.
said by DreamReality:
And btw i have Qwest DSL with MSN, and have a 7mbps connection from them. so :P
I ... will not use DSL of any kind I am cable and there is nothing better. I am getting 5-7 MegaBits download and 1-3 Megabits upload..
Ummm, which is it? You have DSL or you will never have DSL? Your post isn't very credible if you can't even convey whether or not you have DSL or hate DSL. That isn't an issue that usually causes confusion.
said by DreamReality:
I am also only paying 30.00/month for 5 Megabit(Transfers 500Kbytes/s [and yes it is BYTES not BITS] and more, also VERY stable)(I Downladed media player 9 the other day at 692Kbytes/s) as compaired to 50.00/month for (lets work it out [640kbits / 8 = 80Kbytes/sec MAX] You'll probably never see that speed maybe 24-60Kbytes), so if you are a real hardcode gamer, then you are noting going to be very liked in the gaming world with a ping time through the roof, hell might as well just go back to dialup...
It's great that you are paying $30/mo. In areas with many ISPs, pricing is competitive. In other areas without competition, pricing can be higher than in competitive markets. Take Econ 101 at your local college.
I regularly got about 75 K/s sustained with my 640kbps DSL.
I really don't know why you are bragging. You really can't use your FIVE MEGABIT connection except on servers that have an up speed of 5 Mbps. Most servers like that are download servers. Big deal if you can download WMP9 at 700 K/s. That's a one-time deal, unless you get turned on by it and download it over and over for kicks. If you run eDonkey or other P2P servers, you will still be in long queues to get what you want, and people will probably only be able to upload to you at about 2 K/s. And you say you are a gamer? What kind of bandwidth does gaming use up? 50 K/s? 100? Sounds like you are wasting most of your connection, regardless of whether you decide you have DSL or hate DSL. |
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This is about your post ragging on DreamReality. Maybe it would have been more worthwhile for you to actually read what DreamReality wrote!
said by DreamReality:
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was just scanning through the thread and read this (quoted below)
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In case you're confused, the quote from DreamReality is OVER and now I'm writing again. The first part of his post was him, and the second part was a QUOTE FROM SOMEONE ELSE! He even said as much, and if you had read earlier posts like you say you have, you surely would have recognized it! It sparked a bit of controversy when it was originally posted. Clearly the first part of his post (you know, the part that HE wrote) was contradicting the second part, which should be an obvious clue in itself to what was going on! You even pointed out the contradictions yourself, and yet you still didn't get it. Oh well... I guess it really doesn't matter. Oh, and if DreamReality is a girl instead of a guy, well, sorry for using "he" all the time!  |
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Well, the post that you are referring to from Dream was made on 9-17. I went back to 8-16 and didn't see the original post that was supposedly quoted.
See the "Auto Quote" button? It's about 3/16" of an inch from the first character Dream typed. Maybe Dream needs to learn how to use it. A "------" doesn't cut it as a quote. I see no quotes. I see no reference. All I see is a paragraph that contradicts another. Sure, Dream says "quoted below" but didn't quote anything. Copy-paste isn't quoting. I assumed that Dream may have forgotten to post whatever Dream meant to be quoting. It wouldn't have been the first time, nor would it be the first time someone would contradict themselves in their own post.
said by cts:
Oh well... I guess it really doesn't matter.
Then why post it? Why bring something up over a month old then state that it doesn't matter. Talk about someone contradicting themselves in their own post. People post because they think what they are saying matters, and should be read... but you turn around and say that it doesn't matter. My point has been made. |
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were did you get a cable connection like that for that cheap? |
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 SubWolfSuburban WolfPremium
join:2003-11-16
Englewood, CO | If anyone's still interested, I started putting an article together on how to do some of this stuff (port forwarding on DSL800/1000), covering two different methods - Intel's uPnP Scripting, and Mr Jacob's uPnP tool.
»www.subwolf.org/v2/articles.php?article=3
It's not finished - i.e. only done the Intel part so far, and not enough introduction - but if you have any constructive criticism or recommendations, feel free to let me know.
This topic has been of incredible help over the last few months in this regard, and it (and the site) will be properly credited... plus, Jared, if you're still here, do you mind if I write a mini-howto? This is mostly why I haven't written it yet, permission first. 
Thanks to all.
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pualo
join:2003-11-05
Los Angeles, CA | reply to SubWolf
suburban wolf,
In method 1 where you say "go down the provided tree to select the same service mentioned before" In my case there is no tree, when i hit the set button the new window only displays the root 'upnp devices', there are no branches and the ok button is grayed out. Everything before this point went ok. I have dsl1000 on win98se via ethernet card.
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Hi,
I've read all the various threads on this forum about accessing and flashing the DSL 1000 modem from MSN. I'm tempted to flash it to an SMC modem, but before I'm that drastic I'd like to give the upnp stuff ago. I have two problems. Firstly, my firmware is the older version; is there anywhere I can download the newer firmware? I can't find it... Secondly, can someone give a quick bullet point list of exactly how to do this for someone who is a little bit clueless? I've tried to follow the thread but I still don't get what I need to install and do...
Thanks in advance!
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