Re: So, as thought, Taxpayers (us) already paid for it in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r7147622 en Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:03:57 EDT Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:03:57 EDT Re: So, as thought, Taxpayers (us) already paid for it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7156174 herberthm1 : no for the most part he is right except he does not know what's going on here in california he speaks for the most part of new york as if that was the whole america, but sbc had already deploy some fiber to home in palo alto california, and here in so cal they have deploy a lot fo fiber event thou not to the home, witch is why I can get dsl being 30,000 ft from the co.
Deploying fiber is the only way the bells can survive if not cable,cell phones and internet telephony are going to take there customers, now are more options for communications than in 1995 so unless the bells deliver they will be going belly up!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7156174 Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:57:50 EDT Re: So, as thought, Taxpayers (us) already paid for it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7150949 KrK : Note I said many not all. I'm thinking specifically of those that were counting on "Fat pipes" to people's homes, such as Telephony, Video services, Real time shopping, etc

These ideas were *not* pie in the sky ideas that would never work. They just needed consumers who had the bandwidth to deliver the services.
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"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7150949 Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:15:55 EDT Re: So, as thought, Taxpayers (us) already paid for it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7150258 JakCrow : Expect the bell shills to start chiming in soon with disparaging remarks about teletruth and Bruce and how wrong he is, without actually being able to support their positions. As per normal...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7150258 Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:10:56 EDT Re: So, as thought, Taxpayers (us) already paid for it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7149377 TheMadSwede :
said by KrK See Profile:
In fact, it's really not a stretch to think that many of those failed so-called Dot.coms might actually be thriving companies today if the Bells had ever made good on their broadband and FTTH deployments.


Read this statement again and tell me you still mean it.

The dot-coms failed because most of them were stupid business ideas, not because there were not means for them to be deployed. The dot bomb was dropped because people are stupid and inflexible and because of one of the largest instances of groupthink to ever occur.

I can think of a lot of things on which I can blame the Bells, but the end of the dot-com era is not one of them.

The over-the-top rantings on BBR, while understandable and maybe even justified, take away from the argument instead of furthering the cause against the Bells. The Bells are not the root of all evil.
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said by markopoleo See Profile:
Thats besides the point if we already paid them to build it, its like a builder asking for money to build a house, but the people keep wanting to change the plans already in construction.

SBC is not going to put a RT up that grants other companies rights to use it to. No logic in it, the states are holding SBC hostage, not the other way around. Plain and simple.


horribly flawed logic.
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So, you're saying you're willing to pay upfront for something that is never delivered, and then when you complain, they demand you pay them again...? and again?

No it's not like a Customer who keeps changing their order. The Telco controls the "features" of the network, not the consumer. The consumer just pays for it, even if it is never actually built.
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"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7148597 Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:59:48 EDT Re: So, as thought, Taxpayers (us) already paid for it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7148257 markopoleo : Thats besides the point if we already paid them to build it, its like a builder asking for money to build a house, but the people keep wanting to change the plans already in construction.

SBC is not going to put a RT up that grants other companies rights to use it to. No logic in it, the states are holding SBC hostage, not the other way around. Plain and simple.
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If PLC goes mainstream, every other broadband provider will be considered what dialup is today...not broadband.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7148257 Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:25:43 EDT Re: So, as thought, Taxpayers (us) already paid for it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7147674 KrK : "It is the largest accounting scandal in history and the FCC and the states have just let it drop. Essentially, the Bells have been including "Vaporware", missing equipment, in their accounting for local phone rates -- for all services. And we're talking about $19 billion being missing -- and that's a finding from only 1/4 of the potential audits."

Sometimes, I hate being RIGHT. That's fraud, theft, racketeering, you name it... Criminals. Where's the picture of Ed Whitacre being led off in Handcuffs? Martha Stewart. Sheesh. She's not even a French Fry when compared to these crooks!
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"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7147674 Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:26:45 EDT Re: So, as thought, Taxpayers (us) already paid for it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7147622 KrK : The more I think about it, the more annoying it is. Think about the economic damage the Bells have done and continue to do to the U.S. Economy and society as a whole. Think of the competitive edge we've blown to other nations and continue to blow. In fact, it's really not a stretch to think that many of those failed so-called Dot.coms might actually be thriving companies today if the Bells had ever made good on their broadband and FTTH deployments.

ARRRRGGGHHH!!! And Our Congressmen and regulators still do their bidding! It's a JOKE!
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"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7147622 Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:22:14 EDT So, as thought, Taxpayers (us) already paid for it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7147596 KrK : Very interesting reading, eh?

So while the likes of SBC demand that their RT's and their networks must be blocked from competitors *so they can get a return on their investment* it turns out WE ALREADY PAID FOR THEM TO BUILD IT ALL and they're just screwing us over AGAIN. None of this is new information, but maybe spreading the news out to more people would help those threads where our ILEC supporters talk about "thieving CLEC's" and "ROI". Where's *OUR* Return on Investment?

I'll tell you where. In the Bell's pockets, that's where.
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"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7147596 Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:19:45 EDT