Re: I say in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r7086435 en Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:43:59 EDT Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:43:59 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7134290 KrK : Ethanol is not the magic bullet, it's not the free renewable energy source as it's often touted. Ethanol solves some problems and creates others.

We'd be better off looking at long term solutions then stop gap ones... especially if the benefit is negligible.
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said by oliphant5 See Profile:
If the demand is there, production will be increased to meet it.

Just let me know so I can go long C. :-)
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»www.gmu.edu/departments/economic···any.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7134105 Mon, 16 Jun 2003 01:24:25 EDT Re: I say --> Another perspective! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7132140 oliphant5 : The Spanish-American war tax is also known as the excise tax. The tax will never end because in this talk about greed, there is no more greedy entity than the Federal government.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7132140 Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:34:57 EDT Re: I say --> Another perspective! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7131976 LegoPower77 : Fair enough (even with the leftist code words, e.g., "big business," "greed", etc. ;-)). But I ax, is there some point where we can acknowledge that wiring is done and discontinue the tax? I hear that we are still paying some charge that was levied on phone bills in the 1900s to help pay for the Spanish-American War (I can find documentation but too lazy right now). The trouble with these programs and taxes is that they never end (while we put sunset provisions on tax relief). Al Gore's tax to wire schools is case in point —they are almost all wired now, will the tax end?
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»www.gmu.edu/departments/economic···any.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7131976 Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:04:30 EDT Re: I say --> Another perspective! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7116228 BrooklynZoo : Interesting perspective. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7116228 Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:23:58 EDT Re: I say --> Another perspective! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7113221 dirtcyclr :
said by calvoiper See Profile:
Uh, actually, you'll find that urban, not rural, folks have longer average commutes....

Calvoiper


Urban commutes may be longer timewise, but not even close in mileage! I've lived under both circumstances (CA Bay Area vs. Eastern Montana). Once again, this is a decision that you have to make based on what you want out of life... I agree that the government should not play a role in evening out what you see as being unfair cost of living (i.e. gas prices and housing costs), economics should control that.

The USF is not about controlling prices, but rather providing a financial avenue for equal opportunity. I think "Americans" should have an opportunity to have access to basic utilities such as telephone, electricity, etc. Technologies such as fiber optics can make it all possible, but "big business" wouldn't even think of doing such a thing because the returns are not in their favor!

It costs over 10 times the national average per local loop to provide POTS where I live, so without USF it would be completely impossible for my co-op to even provide telephone service, let alone any "advanced telecommunications" services such as DSL (which i do have by the way).

I would also like to add that there are now rural areas such as mine that actually have better broadband services than some urban areas. This is not because Universal Service Funds have been misplaced, it is because my services are provided by a smaller company/co-op that believes in offering quality services with a personal touch. The whole USF issue centers around combatting greed and the hunger for power/control, it makes everyone on both sides of the fence unhappy at times.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7113221 Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:05:14 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7112622 oliphant5 :
said by KrK See Profile:
Ethanol is a joke, a big tax subsidy for huge Agribusiness like ADM. Guess what: It takes more energy to make, ship, and blend one gallon of ethanol then the power it produces. In other words, to make ethanol we actually use MORE energy, not less.

Ethanol also increases other types of pollution in exhaust. This whole "Ethanol in Gasoline" is a JOKE which will drive up Gasoline at the pump while providing no or little benefit--- while BILLIONS will go back into the pockets of large Agribusiness like ADM.


Joke...sure, if you're lame and believe the oil companies. Meanwhile, all energy takes more energy to produce than you get...it's called conservation of energy. And you think MTBE (a hazardous pollutant of ground water and cancer causing agent) and other attitives aren't a joke? Ethanol is non-toxic and 100% organic.

According to a report released by the U.S. Department of Agriculture in August 2002 a renewable fuels standard would increase corn prices and increase net farm income by $700 million per year, while at the same time reduce the trade deficit by $4.45 billion annually and create 13,500 new jobs in the United States.

And you think that Gasoline is only $1 a gallon? »www.icta.org/projects/trans/rlprexsm.htm Sure...that's what oil companies would have you believe.

Try $15 per gallon.


[text was edited by author 2003-06-13 13:18:05]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7112622 Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:04:49 EDT Re: Ethanol=no energy dependence solution http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7112610 oliphant5 : 1. You're talking about Corn CURRENTLY produced, ignoring the fact that CURRENTLY there isn't the market for the increase in volume. If the demand is there, production will be increased to meet it.

2. That assumes that ethanol would be substituted for fossil fuels in all circumstances. Also incorrect.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7112610 Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:03:33 EDT Ethanol=no energy dependence solution http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7112163 td2341 : Convert nearly all of the corn and wheat produced in the nation to ethanol, say 11 Billion Bushels (saving some wheat back to make bread), would yield only about 2,000,000 barrels of oil equivalent per day, while our oil use is 20,000,000 barrels per day, 11,000,000 of which is imported. In addition, the energy cost cost to produce grain based ethanol amounts to about 80% of the ethanol output, reducing the 2 million barrels of oil equivalent to 400,000 barrels per day.

Yes use ethanol, but it is not "the" answer for rural America or lessened the amounts of universal service funding needed to support high cost rural telecom infrastructure - ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7112163 Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:04:58 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7100704 Googled :
said by KrK See Profile:
So, if we're paying so much for food, why are farmers in such bad shape? Easy: The Agribusiness in the middle makes billions--- we overpay and they underpay (the farmers). Classic, isn't it?
Hmm, sounds a lot like RIAA ;) I imagine this same scenario repeats itself in many industries. Much like using foreign labor. They get paid dirt cheap wages, yet Americans buying the products haven't seen the prices for those products go down.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7100704 Thu, 12 Jun 2003 06:56:01 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7100648 KrK : Ethanol is a joke, a big tax subsidy for huge Agribusiness like ADM. Guess what: It takes more energy to make, ship, and blend one gallon of ethanol then the power it produces. In other words, to make ethanol we actually use MORE energy, not less.

Ethanol also increases other types of pollution in exhaust. This whole "Ethanol in Gasoline" is a JOKE which will drive up Gasoline at the pump while providing no or little benefit--- while BILLIONS will go back into the pockets of large Agribusiness like ADM.
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The Farmers get paid dirt for their product. The Consumers get raped with high prices at the supermarket.

So, if we're paying so much for food, why are farmers in such bad shape? Easy: The Agribusiness in the middle makes billions--- we overpay and they underpay (the farmers). Classic, isn't it?
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"Standing by a president (Bush) when right or wrong "is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." --- President Theodore Roosevelt 1918]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7100639 Thu, 12 Jun 2003 06:34:01 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7094281 morbo :
said by oliphant5 See Profile:
It's not an assumption when you put your location in your profile...but then again, we can't take you lefties literally. Some lefties seem to have a problem with truth and accuracy. While I don't feel bad for NoCal, I do now feel bad for St. Louis.


ah. how sweet! moron.
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said by oliphant5 See Profile:
Take off the blinders and you'll see the obvious solutions and they need not come from daddy government.

I agree wholeheartedly, so don't let this get your hackles up too much :-):
http://www.cnsnews.com/cartoon/Asay.asp
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»www.gmu.edu/departments/economic···any.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7094261 Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:24:38 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7094038 oliphant5 : It's not an assumption when you put your location in your profile...but then again, we can't take you lefties literally. Some lefties seem to have a problem with truth and accuracy. While I don't feel bad for NoCal, I do now feel bad for St. Louis.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7094038 Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:56:24 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7094018 oliphant5 : Dup post...
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7094018 Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:54:55 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7093903 LegoPower77 : Perhaps, but the point is the same.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7093903 Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:43:17 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7093664 morbo :
said by oliphant5 See Profile:
It most certainly is the cause of all of our problems. I'm sure you dismissed the Mission to the Moon speech too. Good for you...typical NoCal.


lol. i live in saint louis mo (where i am right now).

typical ass-u-me behavior.
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re: no food. read back on your post and my posts. i don't want to have to explain it to you.

despite what you may think, big government isn't the cause of all of our problems.
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We'll be incredibly lucky to make it out of this decade without an attack that dwarfs 9/11 due to the current U.S. led war.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7093205 Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:28:16 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7093187 calvoiper : Although they do a terrible job, HUD is focused on the poor. USF, by comparison, supports the rural rich as well as the rural poor. Consider Jackson Hole, etc.

Calvoiper
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Now, about that housing subsidy you think you're paying but I'm not getting, please send the money NOW.

Calvoiper
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VoIP--the death knell of remaining voice monopolies!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7093149 Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:23:29 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7093113 calvoiper : Uh, actually, you'll find that urban, not rural, folks have longer average commutes....

Calvoiper
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VoIP--the death knell of remaining voice monopolies!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7093113 Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:20:30 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7093098 calvoiper : I don't think WorldCom was ever a recipient of USF monies while Ebbers was there. They didn't go into the areas USF supports.

Calvoiper
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VoIP--the death knell of remaining voice monopolies!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7093098 Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:18:38 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7093041 oliphant5 : Just a dream!?! Only if you would rather complain about the problem rather than try and solve it.

»www.usda.gov/news/releases/2003/06/0193.htm -Statement from Agriculture Secretary Ann M. Veneman
Regarding the Senate Passage of the Renewable Fuels Standard Amendment
June 5, 2003

There are certain groups that don't want problems like these solved because stealing money and having the power to redistribute it is more important to them that the wellbeing of the nation and the success of its people.

And no food? Please. Just another scare tactic that is completely baseless. There is ZERO evidence supporting your claims, while the U.S.D.A. and this Administration seems to agree with me (or rather I agree with them). Even the oil companies wouldn't go for such nonsense.

You want to help the farmers? Get the government out of the way so they can help themselves.
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your 'solution' is nothing more than a dream. besides, why trade one problem for another? why move from dependence on foreign oil to dependence on food? that will put us in a more precarious position than we are in now. no oil = we walk / bike /carpool. no food = we die.
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We'll be incredibly lucky to make it out of this decade without an attack that dwarfs 9/11 due to the current U.S. led war.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7092946 Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:04:14 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7092869 oliphant5 : Only if you're shortsighted.

Have them enter a different market eg making ethanol. It reduces the dependence on foreign oil (keeps the money here in the US) as well as being a renewable resource (good for the environment) that is far more clean burning that traditional fossil fuels (also good for the environment)...PLUS there isn't that much R&D necessary to mass produce ethanol burning vehicles...Ford already does it. Availability of Ethanol is what is killing Ethanol. Put farmers and the super farm corporations like ADM into the fuel business. Imagine turning the midwest into the middle east, except CO absorbing 02 producing corn fields as far as the eye can see. You think then there wouldn't be the money for rural communities to build their own infrastructure? They would be bathing in the billions now sent to the middle east oil barrons.

And the taxes only rise if you give away money. The endless cycle is only there if you let it be.

Take off the blinders and you'll see the obvious solutions and they need not come from daddy government.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7092869 Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:54:55 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7092800 morbo :
said by oliphant5 See Profile:
said by morbo See Profile:
said by oliphant5 See Profile:
We're already paying that charity in the form of the Farm Bill.


lucky for you. else you'd be complaining about the high price of food.

No I wouldn't...I'd just buy imported food.


this is an endless cycle. only buy imported food then all of people employed in farming are out of work. your taxes will rise.
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We'll be incredibly lucky to make it out of this decade without an attack that dwarfs 9/11 due to the current U.S. led war.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7092800 Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:47:06 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7092631 Googled :
said by LegoPower77 See Profile:
Since it is more costly to wire rural areas, and we all pay for them because of that. . . Then they should have a Universal Housing Fund because real-estate is more costly in metropolitan areas. Let the bumkins help pay for my housing.
Umm, doesn't that already exist? I believe it is called HUD (Housing & Urban Development). You don't need to run wires in rural areas. Wireless would suit us just fine, thanks for asking ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7092631 Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:27:07 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7092609 oliphant5 :
said by morbo See Profile:
said by oliphant5 See Profile:
We're already paying that charity in the form of the Farm Bill.


lucky for you. else you'd be complaining about the high price of food.

No I wouldn't...I'd just buy imported food.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7092609 Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:24:18 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7092227 morbo :
said by LegoPower77 See Profile:
Actually, I'd just go long in the futures market and make even more money than I already do off farmers ;-)


uh, that's not making money off farmers. that's making money off stock market losers. big difference.
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said by oliphant5 See Profile:
We're already paying that charity in the form of the Farm Bill.


lucky for you. else you'd be complaining about the high price of food.
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We'll be incredibly lucky to make it out of this decade without an attack that dwarfs 9/11 due to the current U.S. led war.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7092220 Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:31:06 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7092076 LegoPower77 : Actually, I'd just go long in the futures market and make even more money than I already do off farmers ;-)
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»www.gmu.edu/departments/economic···any.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7092076 Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:14:55 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7091870 oliphant5 :
said by morbo See Profile:
said by LegoPower77 See Profile:
Since it is more costly to wire rural areas, and we all pay for them because of that. . . Then they should have a Universal Housing Fund because real-estate is more costly in metropolitan areas. Let the bumkins help pay for my housing.


sure! and those 'bumkins' that grow and raise the food that you eat should start charging 10x what they get now. i'm positive next week you'll be posting a whine about how a big mac value meal that used to cost $5 now costs > $30.


We're already paying that charity in the form of the Farm Bill.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7091870 Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:46:51 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7091423 morbo :
said by LegoPower77 See Profile:
Since it is more costly to wire rural areas, and we all pay for them because of that. . . Then they should have a Universal Housing Fund because real-estate is more costly in metropolitan areas. Let the bumkins help pay for my housing.


sure! and those 'bumkins' that grow and raise the food that you eat should start charging 10x what they get now. i'm positive next week you'll be posting a whine about how a big mac value meal that used to cost $5 now costs > $30.
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We'll be incredibly lucky to make it out of this decade without an attack that dwarfs 9/11 due to the current U.S. led war.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7091423 Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:24:50 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7091083 mrs213 : That was terribly lucid.

The FCC needs jurisdiction over cable services, if they're going to compete in the same space/serve the same functions as Our Friends the Phone Comp'nies. The FCC is not just about phone: it's about communications (see the acronym for more information). If they can regulate broadcast radio and TV, cable is a simple leap.

Don't let blind anger screw up your logic. I'm not sure I like Powell very much either, but hey.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7091083 Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:06:54 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7090489 Smokey : the telecom act has the power to regulate all forms of communicatins, it was that large of a bill! Its also what allowed the cable services that we have today
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said by oliphant5 See Profile:
Not only that but as Californians pay $2.30-$2.60/gal during the summer for gasoline,


You're only paying $2.60/gallon tops??? I have to travel between Monterey County and San Diego and I've seen 87 Octane jacked up to $2.99 down there starting Memorial Day thru Labor Day.
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A good scapegoat is almost as good as a solution. »www.digitalconsumer.org ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7088741 Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:39:37 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7086811 Tom Zachman : From your link to a 5 year old Walter E. Williams comment:
quote:
benefits should at least equal costs.
Should you ever need to communicate to us bumkins, write us a letter. Should you ever want us to come visit you, we'll gladly move into your subsidized house for our stay.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7086811 Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:42:33 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7086519 Tom Zachman : It's corporate welfare....
The benefits are very visible in areas served by Rural Telcos. The benefits are invisible to none in rural areas underserved by the RBOCs.

Note to eddy whitacre: Your company sucks wind in the rural markets in Kansas.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7086519 Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:10:55 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7086463 Smokey : not sure, but u do pay it. In az its called HURF highway user fund. so again ur paying oliphant!! Nad why cant i get my net on the moon???
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Now look at it this way: If you were a bureaucratic functionary in the government, at a likely high-water mark for your career, and your staff told you that if you vote "yes" on this proposal, you'll have several extra billion dollars to play with and make some of your (ersatz) friends happy, what are you going to do?

Yes--this is the sad state of affairs our government has been reduced to.

Calvoiper
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VoIP--the death knell of remaining voice monopolies!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7086435 Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:00:15 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7086193 oliphant5 : Not only that but as Californians pay $2.30-$2.60/gal during the summer for gasoline, how about a USF so we pay the same at the South East? How about a USF for electricity and water rates? No reason why one person should pay $40/mo and another pay $10 for monthly sewer rates. How about a USF that makes freight rates with UPS, Fedex and Airborne flat versus distance based...seeing as in telecom the actual cost of delivery is to be ignored and absorbed by everyone else. How about a USF that builds airports everywhere since everyone should be entitled to fair and just air fares.

Hell, let's just have a 100% tax and have daddy government hand out what we get like Smurfberries.

People who move into the middle of nowhere know what they're getting into. If you want or need certain services then you should think about that when you choose a place to reside.

Don't move to the moon then bitch that you aren't getting cable internet.
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said by ib50MbSoon See Profile:

at rates that are reasonably comparable to those charged in urban areas.


There's the loophole - Charge the same for it everywhere...
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.:|:. Starband 360 ~ W2KAS ~ DLINK DI-714P+ ~ XPro ~ XPro]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7084827 Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:04:44 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7084817 Smokey : As I have said in the other forum, I have no problem with the usf, As the law intended it to work. But it dose not work in that way! The monies do not fund making the service in rural areas better, it goes to making the Telco’s richer. Just the thought of B. Ebbers getting his hoofs on this money pisses me off

»End the USF?!?
also this is a good line of comments!
»FCC's power to tax
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[text was edited by author 2003-06-10 16:13:54]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7084817 Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:03:30 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7084675 ib50MbSoon : From the FCC Website at »www.fcc.gov/wcb/universal_service/

The goals of Universal Service, as mandated by the 1996 Act, are to promote the availability of quality services at just, reasonable, and affordable rates; increase access to advanced telecommunications services throughout the Nation; advance the availability of such services to all consumers, including those in low income, rural, insular, and high cost areas at rates that are reasonably comparable to those charged in urban areas. In addition, the 1996 Act states that all providers of telecommunications services should contribute to Federal universal service in some equitable and nondiscriminatory manner; there should be specific, predictable, and sufficient Federal and State mechanisms to preserve and advance universal service; all schools, classrooms, health care providers, and libraries should, generally, have access to advanced telecommunications services; and finally, that the Federal-State Joint Board and the Commission should determine those other principles that, consistent with the 1996 Act, are necessary to protect the public interest.

That paragraph sure sounds nice but last time I checked on ISDN prices it would cost approx $300 to install and $180/mo in recurring fees, ISP not included. Hardly what I call "just, reasonable, or affordable". I don't know where all that USF money is going but its not helping this "bumkin".
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[text was edited by author 2003-06-10 16:07:35]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7084675 Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:50:37 EDT Re: I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7084511 Smokey : good luck trying to get this to pass!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7084511 Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:33:31 EDT I say http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7084449 LegoPower77 : Since it is more costly to wire rural areas, and we all pay for them because of that. . . Then they should have a Universal Housing Fund because real-estate is more costly in metropolitan areas. Let the bumkins help pay for my housing.
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