Re: Makes sense in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r6975768 en Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:03:10 EDT Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:03:10 EDT Re: Makes sense http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6975768 zoom314 : Well I havn't lived in the (North) Long Beach (Dominguez, Long Beach zip code & Part of Carson, CA) area in years, But where I currently live in Hesperia, CA. Charter Pipeline users most likely out number any and all DSL users as their is only one CO in Hesperia (Hesperia is ALL Rural) and Verizon says no DSL for those near or beyond the 3 mile mark from the CO. Hesperia is Big enough to have Multiple CO structures, But Verizon wouldn't do that, Nor will They invest money like Charter did, If you are near or beyond 3 miles from the CO, Verizon offers only expensive ($$$.$$) and un-regulated ISDN, Can You say Cash-Cow(Mooo)??? So at least in this area Verizon sucks and Charter Pipeline rules.....
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Charter Pipeline rules in Hesperia, CA, Verizon sucks.....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6975768 Thu, 29 May 2003 15:01:21 EDT Re: Makes sense http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6958265 oliphant5 : That's why I would be more interested in "per capita" deployment. It's a better indicator as to how both the providers and state regulation affect adoption by the consumers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6958265 Tue, 27 May 2003 18:02:15 EDT Re: Makes sense http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6957514 Combat Chuck : According to the census bureau in as of July 1st 2002:

US Population: 288,368,698
California Population: 35,116,033

Which puts California at about 12% of US population. So having 16% of the Broadband subscribers really isn't all that great of an accomplishment. As far as ranking 3rd in density. Even that 3rd place by density probably isn't much to talk about as I suspect that the top 10 by density are pretty close. But I'm not paying 90 dollars to download the PDF to find out.
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Infogrames != Atari]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6957514 Tue, 27 May 2003 16:47:03 EDT Re: Makes sense http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6956532 roamer1 :
said by gogeta6 See Profile:
LA was fighting with its cable company all the time.

CompanIES... ;)

That said, nearly all of the fighting has been with Adelphia; TWC in the San Fernando Valley and MediaOne->AT&T->Comcast in parts of the city near Compton and Culver City have provided cable modem service for years.

-SC
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Atlanta Apt/Condo Cable & Broadband Info: »www.atlaptcable.info/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6956532 Tue, 27 May 2003 15:10:46 EDT Re: Makes sense http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6956512 roamer1 :
said by oliphant5 See Profile:
As far as DSL out-pacing cable in California, it's also no surprise that the natural topology of DSL lends itself to better deployment statistics in high density populations where the limitations of DSL reach aren't such a factor as they are in rural communities which dominate mid-west states. Think about it...you can drive from way north of Los Angeles to San Diego and never leave the "city" save for the occasional coastal military base.

That, and the fact that many areas (most parts of the L.A. area now served by Adelphia, etc.) didn't get cable upgrades until well AFTER SBC/PacBell, VZ/GTE, Covad, etc. launched DSL, and some areas (most of San Jose, etc.) STILL aren't upgraded, thanks to cable companies constantly changing hands and/or politically-charged stalling of upgrades...

From what I've seen, DSL clearly has the upper hand in L.A. (with some exceptions, such as the part of Orange County served by Cox) and the Bay Area, mostly because of the slow pace of cable upgrades in those areas, but cable seems to do much better in San Diego and in the less-dense inland cities such as Bakersfield and Sacramento.

-SC
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No-Bull SE US Wireless Info: »www.sewireless.info/
Atlanta Apt/Condo Cable & Broadband Info: »www.atlaptcable.info/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6956512 Tue, 27 May 2003 15:07:56 EDT Re: Makes sense http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6956396 oliphant5 :
said by gogeta6 See Profile:
With regards to cable outpacing dsl, in San Diego I'd think that there are many more cable subscribers than dsl just because there are two strong companies who split up the county TW and Cox. However, in Long Beach ( a city of ~500k) I didn't know a single person who had cable, everyone who had broadband had dsl. I'm not exactly sure of the reasons but I know LA was fighting with its cable company all the time.


That's because Charter hasn't rolled out cable internet in large parts of Long Beach. They say they're working on it, but they've been saying that for over a year.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6956396 Tue, 27 May 2003 14:53:52 EDT Re: Makes sense http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6956127 djrobsd : LOL I bet if you split San Diego in half, North County would probably be 90% cable, 10% DSL, whereas the city itself probably is around 60% DSL / 40 % Cable..

Why? North County = RURAL.. LOL

Of course, SBC has added a ton of remote terminals, at least in Carlsbad and Encinitas. But they're too late, especially considering the fact that gee, let's see.. I want to pay a) $39.99 a month for 1500/128 with DSL, or $39.99 a month for 2000/256 with cable? Go fig!

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6956127 Tue, 27 May 2003 14:22:18 EDT Re: Makes sense http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6955919 gogeta6 : With regards to cable outpacing dsl, in San Diego I'd think that there are many more cable subscribers than dsl just because there are two strong companies who split up the county TW and Cox. However, in Long Beach ( a city of ~500k) I didn't know a single person who had cable, everyone who had broadband had dsl. I'm not exactly sure of the reasons but I know LA was fighting with its cable company all the time. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6955919 Tue, 27 May 2003 13:57:30 EDT Makes sense http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6955767 oliphant5 : For the state with the largest population to have the largest percentage of subscribers. What would be more interesting is penetration percentages as in what state has the most per capita subscribers.

As far as DSL out-pacing cable in California, it's also no surprise that the natural topology of DSL lends itself to better deployment statistics in high density populations where the limitations of DSL reach aren't such a factor as they are in rural communities which dominate mid-west states. Think about it...you can drive from way north of Los Angeles to San Diego and never leave the "city" save for the occasional coastal military base.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6955767 Tue, 27 May 2003 13:39:49 EDT