Re: Why does it have to be "Always on"? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r6759527 en Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:23:58 EDT Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:23:58 EDT Re: If you have a choice, choose cable. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6778077 jungleman406 : I respect your opinion but you are being cheated, you said it yourself cable don't allow it's customers the opportunity of sharing their bandwidth with out digging deeper in your pockets. I personally have DSL and I love it I have it networked and it runs beautifully. I didn't have to use SBC's equipment but I am going wireless soon so I will give them a try. I think you should give your local phone company another chance you might like the response you get.. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6778077 Wed, 07 May 2003 12:30:24 EDT Re: If they don't expand the availability it doesn't m http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6775894 ComputerGod :
said by rradina See Profile:
Only when it's as reliable and available as the common dial tone will it lead to other pervasive technologies.


It took quite a while for the dial tone to be as reliable as it it today. I think that DSL is getting there. In the past 4 years I've seen provisioning times go down from months to days, ranges extended greatly, and arguably better quality. We'll get there...one day.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6775894 Wed, 07 May 2003 04:38:07 EDT Re: If they don't expand the availability it doesn't m http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6768165 Frohike : Its all good. I just had the exact opposite experience with cable. Black outs on cable and horrible customer service. Weather affected the signal severely. It was with Charter Comm, which is under investigation here in local Dallas area for poor service ;).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6768165 Tue, 06 May 2003 11:46:59 EDT Re: If you have a choice, choose cable. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6768001 fancydancer : I, obviously, have had better luck with cable than most and a better deal (under $60 bucks for both internet and tv-60 or so channels). Downstream has always been consistently around 3mbps. I must be blessed to be on a low-traffic node. Just do what I do, if you get cable, tell everyone its horrible, so they won't get it and use up YOUR bandwidth. I had Dish but it kept blacking out and I wanted my local channels. It was late when I made that post last night, so forgive my assumptions. One thing I know for sure, from experience as a gamer, DSL is superior when it comes to latency but if raw speed is what you crave, cable is the way to go. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6768001 Tue, 06 May 2003 11:24:00 EDT Re: If you have a choice, choose cable. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6767347 Frohike :
said by fancydancer See Profile:
Everyone watches cable TV, right? So why not make a "too good to refuse" combo package?


Thats a big assumption, which is wrong. I have Dish, cheaper and more channels. Once I got rid of cable internet, cable TV went with it. Paying almost 60 bucks for cable TV and another 30 for cable. Dish is cheaper and DSL is same with rock solid bandwidth, no more wondering what my speed will be when I surf, 4000kps 1 minute, 200kps the next. No thanks ;).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6767347 Tue, 06 May 2003 09:43:19 EDT Re: If you have a choice, choose cable. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6766173 2farfromCO7 : I don't see "distrust" as being the differentiating factor. People distrust both cable and telco monopolies. Debating which is worse is like debating who is worse: Saddam or Osama?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6766173 Tue, 06 May 2003 02:42:02 EDT Re: If you have a choice, choose cable. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6765991 corrosive23 : Nope, the only coax in my house comes from the dish network dish, to the reciever, other than that, screw cable companies, pay 50+ a month for 1/3 less channels.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6765991 Tue, 06 May 2003 01:55:34 EDT If you have a choice, choose cable. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6765538 fancydancer : Cable is limited on the upside (128k for me) because the cable company chooses to do so. This is so residential customers cannot host a bandwidth-sucking server while not paying for it and to reduce p2p file-sharing. DSL service is spotty by nature and a 1.5mbps up/down connection cannot compare to a true T1. I don't see DSL being as popular in the future as cable for reasons such as a general distrust for the phone company and a reduced need for a home telephone (cell phones). Everyone watches cable TV, right? So why not make a "too good to refuse" combo package?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6765538 Tue, 06 May 2003 00:32:37 EDT Re: If they don't expand the availability it doesn't m http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6765143 gnucleus7 : Did you ever think of moving closer to the co?
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Gee, you're too far for water service so sometimes you can take a shower, other times you'll have to stink it out. Take what you get and don't complain or don't get water!

Would anyone in their right mind want to knowingly sell a product with that marketing slogan? Imagine the cable company counter ads.

"Tired of your you might be up today DSL service..."

In my opinion, broadband is an idea encompassing affordable, high-speed, always on, reliable communications to the masses. Only when it's as reliable and available as the common dial tone will it lead to other pervasive technologies. Right now the cable companies have a huge advantage because they can offer availability that makes DSL look like bad technology. If cable can increases the consistency of their service, it's over for DSL unless the RBOCs slap themselves, snort some coffee and continue expanding their coverage areas.

I think DSL has a key advantage in that cable is bandwidth limited on the up side. If the DSL providers could start offering more symmetrical services for the same price, they would attract a lot of interest. Unfortunately they still have to increase their coverage and say goodbye to their worries that high-speed DSL upstream speeds will cause businesses to eliminate their dedicated T1 circuits. That's like walking to the plate with two strikes -- it'll never happen!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6759899 Mon, 05 May 2003 15:19:56 EDT Re: Why does it have to be "Always on"? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6759527 anon : if you read through most ISP agreements when it comes to DSL. they have a best effort clause in it. that is because they cant guarantee always on or speeds due to veriables that are out of their control. though, most people dont take the time to read those agreements. and then call in and throw a fit because they dont have what they believe they should have.. just a point. Earthlink's Home DSL agreement states that they can not promise speeds or no loss/time down. but many of the calls that came in when i worked for them was just that. my DSL was down for 1 hour and i want credits for that time down. sorry guys, but 68 cents is not alot to cry over and it doesnt make that big of a deal when it comes to the end. need to work on getting the phone companies to stabalize the type of line wires they are running and maybe even have your landlords upgrade the wiring in your house/apt before trying for DSL. your best bet is to go cable. less hassles, and easier to maintain. though you will still have times that you will have various problems due to different things. thus, with High speed. you want guarantees. do what buisinesses do. they purchase Business DSL and then they have the guarantees for speed and connections or they get paid down time. otherwise, doont complain at all]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6759527 Mon, 05 May 2003 14:43:26 EDT Re: If they don't expand the availability it doesn't m http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6759496 2farfromCO7 : That probably includes ISDN and satellite. There's no way that 95% of American households have cable modems or DSL available. DSL availability is way under 50% for the entire nation. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6759496 Mon, 05 May 2003 14:40:08 EDT Re: If they don't expand the availability it doesn't m http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6759439 anon : A study quoted in DSLR A couple of weeks ago indicated that 95% of American households have broadband available. I don't recall the adoption rate but believe it was under 20%.What information is available to me indicates that a higher adoption rate is going to be required before any significant network expansion will be practicle.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6759439 Mon, 05 May 2003 14:34:50 EDT Re: If they don't expand the availability it doesn't m http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6759274 2farfromCO7 : This is why I always say that DSL is LESS AVAILABLE TODAY than it was 3 years ago, especially since RT deployment has completely halted.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6759274 Mon, 05 May 2003 14:13:05 EDT Re: If they don't expand the availability it doesn't m http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6759237 Frohike : The reason RBOCs don't offer service upto 18k, regulations. RBOCs are regulated to maintain certain satisfaction. After 16k, the chances of maintaining good customer satisfaction dramatically drops (signal degradation is dramatic). SBC use to offer DSL upto 17500ft but had to drop it down to 14k due to falling below the satisfaction level. Then SBC later upped it to 16k guaranteeing only 192kps at that length. As time moves on and more technology comes available to strengthen the DSL signal from the CO, then the loop length will get longer.

FYI-Non-regulated entities like Covad etc, arn't under the same service restrictions as RBOCs.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6759237 Mon, 05 May 2003 14:09:23 EDT Re: If they don't expand the availability it doesn't m http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6759228 Mike : There can be a 384kbps link maintained at 18k feet if the copper is in fairly good condition. You can stop whining and get broadband if Verizwho is in your area. ;)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6759228 Mon, 05 May 2003 14:08:26 EDT Re: If they don't expand the availability it doesn't m http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6758819 2farfromCO7 : Beggars can't be choosers. If you are over 12000ft you get 384k with no refunds for downtime as long as your service is up 66% of the time. Take it or leave it. Just provide the service as is. Test the line(FOR REAL!!! NOT JUST TYPING THE ADDRESS INTO A DISTANCE CALCULATOR), if it can take 384 AT ALL, you offer it under those conditions. You don't like the conditions don't sign up. Beggars can't be choosers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6758819 Mon, 05 May 2003 13:23:53 EDT Re: If they don't expand the availability it doesn't m http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6758792 MPScan : I don't see what would be so hard about this.

By design, ADSL service is meant to be capable of providing service to 18,000 ft at a speed of 1500kbps. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6758792 Mon, 05 May 2003 13:19:41 EDT Re: If they don't expand the availability it doesn't m http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6758790 gtidsl : Sounds like someone is at 18000 feet....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6758790 Mon, 05 May 2003 13:19:31 EDT Why does it have to be "Always on"? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6758750 2farfromCO7 : Why can't it be "almost always on" or ABSOLUTELY NO GUARANTEES OF PERFECT SERVICE? If you don't like these terms, don't order. However if you agree, there will be absolutely NO REFUNDS OFFERED for service that is up and running say over 66% of the time. BEGGARS CAN'T BE CHOOSERS. That is the only strategy that the RBOCs can use that will beat cable. ANYTHING ELSE WILL FAIL. AVAILABILITY NOW AND NOT 5 MINUTES LATER IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS. I AM RIGHT AND EVERYBODY ELSE THAT DISAGREES IS WRONG. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6758750 Mon, 05 May 2003 13:12:41 EDT If they don't expand the availability it doesn't m http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6758710 2farfromCO7 : atter. I think I even said 1-2 months ago that $25/month wouldn't matter. Unless they are WILLING TO TAKE THE RISK TO DEPLOY 384k DSL ON THE NETWORK "AS IS" up to 18000ft regardless of the speed the user ends up connecting at, it won't make a difference. I WILL GUARANTEE YOU THAT 100%(and not one person less) of all potential customers that would even consider DSL are already signed up. If they didn't sign up at $29.95, will $29.95 change anything? NO CHANCE. They need to offer $24.95 all the way to 18000ft AS IS and simply make no guarantees. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6758710 Mon, 05 May 2003 13:07:42 EDT