Re: buh bye SBC in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r6125613 en Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:22:36 EDT Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:22:36 EDT Re: buh bye SBC http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6139537 Go Chargers7 : He's just saying what the typical telco reaction will be...ripping of the customer. That's what the RBOCs are best at.
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said by Mr_Hanky00 See Profile:
I dont believe that at all!

I see this technology has a future. and also can now get cable regulated which is what I want. The only downfall is that this vonage may cost more then bells crap if the FCC gets their way and regulates this.


That is why the Bells are requiring their local POTS line to be live in order for you to get DSL over their copper. They see the VOIP handwriting in the wall. They will also charge super high rates ($90 and above) just to have the POTS line there to make up for the loss of money going over the VOIP.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6139017 Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:10:10 EDT Re: buh bye SBC http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6127939 anon : "DOOOOh' Now that some cable comapanies are capping I have to give this more thought. I got to have my porn and my phone sex!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6127939 Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:38:29 EDT Re: buh bye SBC http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6127784 anon : >>>Bell network is a national asset and should be preserved in some form.
What Bell Network? The Bell System is dead, thanks to some now dead judge. TO think the Bll Network is still anything is stupid. No one think of the phone companies as the Bell Companies or the Bell System anymore. BTW im 18, and would loved it IF THE BELL SYSTEM WERE NOT BROKEN UP....
my 2 cents.....
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6127784 Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:16:32 EDT Re: buh bye SBC http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6127515 Go Chargers7 : Did you just skip reading the thread? Perhaps you should read the entire thread before commenting or at least bother reading the post you're replying to »Re: buh bye SBC . Cordless phones and a majority of high feature lucent phones (like my 854's at my office) require 110v service. How do you expect to run a cordless phone without a base station? Sure...if I ran K-Mart phones they would work if Verizon bothered to fix all the other issues I had. Most people aren't going to keep a POS cheapy phone in a drawer in case of an emergency. Most likely they'll have an answering machine phone and a cordless. If you how is on fire...and you precious 110v phone is on the other side of the house...you're going to risk getting it? Of course not...you're going to follow the instructions of the fire dept., GTFO and call from next door. For other emergencies...you're talking about a lot of things happening at once...that just don't happen. For burglary, there is damn little between the perp and your NID, one snip and all of your phones are dead...meanwhile my VoIP service is safely underground via coax or wireless from a WISP antenna on the roof. After your phones are dead...sure, a burglar alarm could work...but that same burglar alarm is available with cellular backup which I had anyway. 911...speed dial then tell them your address just as you would with cellular. So now what emergencies are we reduced to...what far fetched situations are required to justify the existence of POTS? Bad BB provider...that's about it. With a little thought...just a little...all of these far fetched RBOC shill proposed situations can be taken care of.

Again...if you had bothered reading the post you're replying to...as I explained...I have no issues with a power outage should it occur. I make allowances for it just like it did for my unreliable POTS service. Of course in the 5 years I've lived at my current residence, we've never had a power failure...yet Verizon had problems regularly to make up for it.
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[text was edited by author 2003-02-27 08:41:58]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6127515 Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:21:24 EDT Re: buh bye SBC http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6125613 comcastech : With a land based phone line..phones dont require a power cord to work. If you already have a phone and it is does not require plugging(answering machine/caller id) in then it will work(thats why you can put battieries in some phones). Land based lines already offer voltage in the line. Companies like qwest and sbc send voltage through the lines when a number is contacted thats how the phone rings. Just like cable telephony. They require 110 volts outa thier taps inorder for the phones to work. Thats why phones that dont have power cords still have lights that light up on the phone. So in short..if your power goes out with verizon or sbc..you can still us eit..if it goes out with comcast cable & cox cable telephone services over their system you will still have phone. If you lose powere with vontage you have no phone.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6125613 Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:50:42 EDT Re: buh bye SBC http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6122394 Go Chargers7 : Each person needs to personally evaluate their situation. Personally I have large power backups (minimally 1400VA at any 1 time), redundant broadband providers (all for other purposes, not for supporting VoIP come hell or high-water) as well as cell service so I have great confidence in maintaining my VoIP service. Someone who only has a single provider with a history of outages and high latency, no battery backup for their modem and ATA and no cell service needs to evaluate their situation to assess the risk (if any) of running only VoIP.

But this is all common sense. It's not an issue of whether or not VoIP is reliable as some RBOC shills claim it's not. It's as reliable as the BB provider you use and for the other issues as reliable as you make it
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6122394 Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:18:05 EDT Re: buh bye SBC http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6122339 clecrupt9 :
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Fa Shizzle, I am sure that speed dial will help you a lot when your electricity will go out.
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That is something to ponder. However how many of us have a cell phone laying around? VoIP cant begin to hold a candle to PSTN redundancy and reliability, but it will get there if given the chance. The reason VoIP is doing so well and will continue is partly because of its signaling. The Bell network using system seven can only do so much. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6122339 Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:14:15 EDT Re: buh bye SBC http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6119219 sporkme :
said by gt1:

Bell network is a national asset and should be preserved in some form.


Sure, under glass in a museum with other dinosaurs. These morons are digging their own graves. Let's watch the cable companies take advantage of all this bickering...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6119219 Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:34:16 EDT Re: buh bye SBC http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6119054 CO_Chris : why do people have to hide WTF?. if u like your isp then show your love if not get a real one
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said by Mr_Hanky00 See Profile:
I dont believe that at all!

I see this technology has a future. and also can now get cable regulated which is what I want. The only downfall is that this vonage may cost more then bells crap if the FCC gets their way and regulates this.


Forget it, look at his IP, he's a BellAtlantic shill. RBOCs suck.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6118938 Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:03:09 EDT Re: buh bye SBC http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6118900 Mr_Hanky00 : I dont believe that at all!

I see this technology has a future. and also can now get cable regulated which is what I want. The only downfall is that this vonage may cost more then bells crap if the FCC gets their way and regulates this.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6118900 Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:59:29 EDT Re: buh bye SBC http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6118868 Go Chargers7 : Well, if my electricity went out the phones won't work anyway. All of my phones require 110v. Besides, both my ATA, wireless phone base, both modems (one's a WISP with it's transmitter far outside my grid) and their primary router are on an APC 1400VA UPS and 50 watts, it will run for over 5 hours. So yeah, if the moon was full, the tides high, planets aligned, we're in 3 feet of water during a tornado...I'd have to break out the cellular phone. The rest of the time...I'm saving money and getting superior service with VoIP.

Screw the RBOCs and their antitrust behavior.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6118868 Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:55:22 EDT Re: buh bye SBC http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6118817 anon : Fa Shizzle, I am sure that speed dial will help you a lot when your electricity will go out.
Bell network is a national asset and should be preserved in some form.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6118817 Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:50:46 EDT Re: buh bye SBC http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6117875 Go Chargers7 : They don't currently offer E911 but Vonage has a history of filling in their shortcomings. They just started supporting faxes and some other stuff. It's only a matter of time. In the interim, I have my local Sheriff and Fire dept. on speed-dial.
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When yer a pioneer, you're bound to get a few arrows in the butt.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6117875 Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:11:14 EDT Re: buh bye SBC http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6117787 CO_Chris : i just went to there site and they do not have 911 service its not a big deal with me but the wife maybe. i will have to work this one b4 i move in june... Man i would love to get rid of SBC all together.. F Them and the Fcc as well
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said by CO_Chris See Profile:
..WHO hates SBC every1 raise there hand

*Hand Raised* Me! Me! DAMN how I hate SBC]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6117507 Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:28:11 EDT Re: buh bye SBC http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6117286 rangerlg9 : I saw a commercial for Vonage here in Houston. You may want to check for availability.

Ed

Just checked and the 832 area code is available in the Houston and surrounding areas. You can call 832, 713, 281, and 936 unlimited for 25.99 per month. That includes 500 Long Distance minutes.

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6117286 Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:04:13 EDT Re: bye verizon http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6117048 Go Chargers7 : Of course...another reason to hate the RBOCs and all ILECs. They don't want any competition...their primary goal is to screw over customers and gain TOTAL control over content.
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When yer a pioneer, you're bound to get a few arrows in the butt.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6117048 Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:34:56 EDT Re: bye verizon http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6117040 Mr_Hanky00 : The nation's Bell companies are quietly lobbying the nation's top regulators at the Federal Communications Commission. Their goal is to slap new charges on Internet-based calls in order to protect their own system. If the FCC goes along, it will effectively crush the growing entrepreneurial drive by numerous Internet providers to provide consumers with this service.

The Bells' assault on Internet phone calls (technically known as voice over IP, or VOIP) sets a dangerous precedent for the Internet. The Bells' goal is to establish what would amount to a massive Internet tax by hitting Internet telephony providers with huge access charges for connecting to the local Bell networks

YOU KNOW THEY WILL TAX THE HELL OUT OF IT! AND PROBABLY HAVE TO HAVE THE CABLE COMPANIES OPEN UP THEIR NETWORKS TO OTHER PROVIDERS......... I CAN BUY SOME SATELITES AND RESELL THE PROGRAMS ON THEIR CABLE SYSTEM.....THIS IS STARTING TO POINT IN MY FAVOR NOW............

I THINK THIS VONAGE IS A GREAT IDEA FOR A SECOND LINE....I HAVE JUST HAD BAD EXPERIENCES WITH MY CABLE GOING OUT THAT THIS WOULD NOT WORK AS A PRIMARY THING
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6117040 Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:33:47 EDT Re: bye verizon http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6116942 anon : Check out this cnet article on one way the RBOC's are trying to fight VOIP:

Will the Bells crush Net calling?
»news.com.com/2010-1069-985856.html

They want the FCC to assess access charges for connecting to the local networks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6116942 Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:21:31 EDT Re: buh bye SBC http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6116763 CO_Chris : If this happens here in Tx i will say have a nice life SBC and hope you go down in flames .. i am going to cable in 3 months when i move and earthlink is still going to be my ISP..WHO hates SBC every1 raise there hand
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6116729 Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:51:45 EDT bye verizon http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6116465 vlad7 : I have vonage for more than a month and I love it, its better, its cheaper, unlimited calls, excellent international rates, etc. bye bye verizon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6116465 Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:15:08 EDT