Re: Not if the RIAA and MPAA can prevent it in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r5648901 en Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:52:06 EDT Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:52:06 EDT Re: Not if the RIAA and MPAA can prevent it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5680653 BrianDamage : No, beta lost out because Sony wouldn't license it.
Toshiba licensed VHS to anybody and everybody.
That's why it came out on top. Superiority has nothing to do with it.
Video was comparable, but the audio quality of beta was far superior.
Arrogance is what sent that format into oblivion.
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Cheers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5678504 Thu, 16 Jan 2003 10:47:16 EDT Re: Not if the RIAA and MPAA can prevent it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5661368 xrobertcmx :
said by BrianDamage See Profile:
You have to be pushy and aggressive.


I have the office numbers for both his local and DC office:) I don't mess around, that issue I mentioned put me over the edge.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5661368 Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:53:46 EDT Re: Not if the RIAA and MPAA can prevent it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5661258 BrianDamage : You have to write many times over before your rep will ever actually see your letter with his/her own eyes.
They have legions of assistants to wade through all of the letters.
You have to be pushy and aggressive.
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said by NOVA_Guy See Profile:
I wasn't necessarily referring to DivX being dead, but what the government did with it. If I recall correctly, didn't they make hacking DivX copy protection-- or even providing information/instructions or software to do it-- a crime? That's what I'm opposed to more than anything else. I see no reason why the government or any media company should feel they have the right to control the storage or playback method of content that I have legally purchased from them.
Restrictions are not specific to DivX. The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) takes away pretty much all fair use rights granted under Copyright law. Couples that with the Sonny Bono copyright extension act that extends copyright virtually forever and we have rather dire situation,

If you are concerned about Government intrusion write your Rep and Senators. The media cartel wrote and lobbied for the DMCA because they are scared to death of digital technology and managed to buy enough legislators to get it through Congress.

If you want to be even more outraged at what Congress and the Industry are doing to fair use take a look at the Chilling Effects Clearinghouse.
»www.chillingeffects.org/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5659880 Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:50:58 EDT Re: Not if the RIAA and MPAA can prevent it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5659590 NOVA_Guy :
said by xrobertcmx See Profile:
Call me out of touch, but what happened with DivX? Is this the DivX DVD disc that floped? or the Codec?

I wasn't necessarily referring to DivX being dead, but what the government did with it. If I recall correctly, didn't they make hacking DivX copy protection-- or even providing information/instructions or software to do it-- a crime? That's what I'm opposed to more than anything else. I see no reason why the government or any media company should feel they have the right to control the storage or playback method of content that I have legally purchased from them. If I buy a CD, I've bought a license to listen to the music on it, and should be able to listen to said music on my computer, my car stereo, my MP3 player, my home stereo, etc., etc. The same with video-- if I buy a movie, it shouldn't matter whether I watch it on VHS, DVD, or rip it and convert it to a format that I can watch on my PocketPC. But that just isn't the case with DivX... :(
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said by tschmidt See Profile:
We have two competing forces.

The technology and communication industry

vs.

The 5 mega media corporations represented the RIAA and MPAA


»www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue6_2/odlyzko/

Andrew Odlyzko, formerly from Bell Labs and now at University of Minnesota makes a point that the phone companies make in two weeks what Hollywood takes in in a full year.

Compared to the consumer electronics and telecommunication industries, media companies are farts in a whirlwind.
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I question their sincerity.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5649751 Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:46:01 EDT Re: Not if the RIAA and MPAA can prevent it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5649455 AkumalDave :
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...unless they work together on industry-wide open standards.

Are we to assume that SONY has learned their lesson from the BetaMax? I guess they have licensed other manufacturers for Memory Stick technology, but it took awhile.

Hey, if they can make broadband as quick, easy and inexpensive as water flowing from the tap - more power to 'em!

Dave]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5649455 Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:23:33 EDT Re: Not if the RIAA and MPAA can prevent it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5649238 xrobertcmx : Thanks, I barely remember those disc's on the shelf, but I am familiar with DivX as the mp4 codec. Seems like every video downloaded is encoded in it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5649238 Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:07:12 EDT Re: Not if the RIAA and MPAA can prevent it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5648901 mdmathis6 : It was the disc....divx is another name for the mp4 codec, so when you see downloads for a divx player, it refers to a media player that will play videos encoded in mp4.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5648901 Mon, 13 Jan 2003 17:39:37 EDT Re: Not if the RIAA and MPAA can prevent it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5647799 xrobertcmx :
said by NOVA_Guy See Profile:
Think it can't be made so? Just look at the crap that was pulled with DivX.

Call me out of touch, but what happened with DivX? Is this the DivX DVD disc that floped? or the Codec?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5647799 Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:14:35 EDT Re: Not if the RIAA and MPAA can prevent it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5647001 NOVA_Guy :
said by tschmidt See Profile:
We have two competing forces.

The technology and communication industry see widespread deployment of broadband as the driver of new business opportunity....

vs.

The 5 mega media corporations represented the RIAA and MPAA that are deathly afraid of losing control of the distribution channel....

You may have framed the competing sides to this debate properly, but you have forgotten the relative sizes of the two industries.

The revenue of all technology companies combined far outweighs the combined revenue of all RIAA member companies. Let's face it: if the technology sector formed an alliance similar to the RIAA and decided that DRM was a bad thing, Rosen and her thugs would be handily defeated.

I believe that the rumblings we heard last year from the technology industry that were somewhat directed at the music industry is just a first. I think that when the technology industry-- and consumers-- get a full picture of what the MPAA and RIAA want, there will be a massive cry about fair use rights. I just hope this full picture doesn't come into focus too late for most stakeholders involved.

The RIAA and MPAA aren't necessarily opposed to everyone having a broadband connection; they are just opposed to the free movement of their "property" without their explicit "permission" at any time. If both organizations had their way, this would likely include the total control of content delivered over radio, television, pay-per-view, movie rentals, and anything else media-related. I can easily see them pushing for a world in which content is encrypted and digitally delivered to a device in your home, which checks to ensure that you are authorized to view the delivered content prior to showing it.

The MPAA would finally be able to prevent people from copying movies when they rent them. The RIAA would possibly be able to prevent people from copying songs off the radio. And traditional non-copy-protected CDs, of course, would not be playable on the new "trusted" DRM-compliant systems. Hacking any of these new systems, or supplying help, technical information, etc. about these systems would be deemed a crime. Think it can't be made so? Just look at the crap that was pulled with DivX.
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BTW, this is the same convention where Mike Powell praised his TiVo, calling it "God's machine".
Can you imagine the ruffling of feathers with the MPAA's ilk?
LMAO........
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The rich get richer, the poorer get the picture, the bombs never hit you when yer down so low...some got pollution, others evolution, there must be some solution but I just don't know....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5646447 Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:06:57 EDT Re: Not if the RIAA and MPAA can prevent it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5646444 kba4 : i'd have to say Sony is a rare breed; they're in both 'camps' and are innovating their way through to the future. other than their failed sdmi, sony has really been one of the only CE companies i know of that thinks so progressively. either way they're making money (selling media (movies/music) or selling consumer electronics), so unless they pull some new drm crap now, their future looks bright to me.
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The technology and communication industry see widespread deployment of broadband as the driver of new business opportunity. Unknown artists are also in this camp because high speed digital communication allows them to bypass the gatekeepers of the current system. But since they are by “unknown” no one really cares about the next generation of artistic expression.

vs.

The 5 mega media corporations represented the RIAA and MPAA that are deathly afraid of losing control of the distribution channel. They and their bought and paid for legislators in Washington will do there utmost to kill high speed digital communication as a threat to legacy business models.

The buggy whip manufactures are taking on the infant automobile industry and they may possible win.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5645541 Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:27:35 EDT