Re: Get Ready for............................ in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r4449399 en Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:52:07 EDT Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:52:07 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4527763 Count Hogula$ :
said by JonIrenicas See Profile:


More people score under 1 Mbps and 500 Kbps with Cox then with ATTBI.



Yeah...and 4 out of 5 dentists suggest sugarless gum for their patients who chew gum.

Conjecture. Where is your proof? You continuously pull "statistics" out of your ass without a shred of proof.

Mean speeds for Cox HSI are 50% faster than mean speeds from ATTBi and ATTBi ranks near the bottom of the cable provider list for speeds...even including their overpriced Ultrastink service so sayith 9/22 speed test averages on DSLR.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4527763 Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:40:19 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4527725 JonIrenicas : "Wrong...I would rather be faster all the time than worry about the cap. 50% faster is 50% faster regardless of what the Cox cap is. Unreliable...I don't understand.

Cox is RELIABLY FASTER...and that's what matters. Speed kills, play it safe, get ATTBi."

More people score under 1 Mbps and 500 Kbps with Cox then with ATTBI.

I'll take a reliable 1.4 Mbps thank you very much.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4527725 Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:36:45 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4527696 JonIrenicas : "anywhere from 1100-3200 Down speeds so that was very inconsistent."

That's very strange to score lower then 1.4 when with the 1.4 plan you have reliable speeds. Maybe they were having some network problems while you had the Ultra plan..

"My 2 bigs issues with ATT is about the "outrageous" ultrajoke plan at "83.99"

I agree the Ultraplan should be $60-$70. $80 is a little much.

"Ya you can go out and get a 50 dollar surfboard modem but I got the Toshiba and it cost me 110.00."

Don't blame AT&T because you didn't get a good deal.

"Now if they would of gave a warning 6 months prior to me buying my own modem.."

I agree.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4527696 Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:33:39 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4527663 Count Hogula$ : [QUOTE=JonIrenicas
More like say you are shopping for a car and there is a Corvette that can go 100 MPH but when you test drive it you find it doesn't go 100 very often and is very unreliable and sometimes goes 10 MPH and other times it goes 70 MPH but goes an average of 66 MPH and on the other side of the lot there is a Yugo that can only go 50 MPH but is very reliable and goes 50 MPH all the time and you have a choice to upgrade it now or later and make it go 100 MPH all the time. The Corvettes a little cheaper then the Yugo and both are alot cheaper then the upgraded Yugo.

Now I'd go after the reliable one every time. Obviously you'd gamble and go after the slightly cheaper but unreliable Corvette.. Right? [/QUOTE

Now imagine that they tried to charge you $100,000 for that Yugo while the Vette costs $50,000. And your analogy isn't even correct. If the Yugo maxes out at 60, the Vette averages 75 and costs less...hmmmmmmm.

Wrong...I would rather be faster all the time than worry about the cap. 50% faster is 50% faster regardless of what the Cox cap is. Unreliable...I don't understand.

Cox is RELIABLY FASTER...and that's what matters. Speed kills, play it safe, get ATTBi.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4527663 Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:30:31 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4527575 skyjock41 :
said by JonIrenicas See Profile:

Speeds are all over the place with them but with AT&TB you will almost certainly get 1.4 or 3.0 depending which plan you want.


I agree ...in my case... with the 1.5/256 plan but the ultrajoke plan i had speed test that showed anywhere from 1100-3200 Down speeds so that was very inconsistent. To tell the truth i am satisfied with my connection from ATT but I dont understand why ATT cant offer something like OOL offers. My 2 bigs issues with ATT is about the "outrageous" ultrajoke plan at "83.99" and the cable modem increase. The ultrajoke plan IMO warrants a 59.99 charge at most. The cable modem increase issue. Ya you can go out and get a 50 dollar surfboard modem but I got the Toshiba and it cost me 110.00. Now if they would of gave a warning 6 months prior to me buying my own modem..... would i still have bought one? NO. Those are my only two gripes as of now and yes the goods are outweighing the bads but the bads are starting to catch up.

Also Id pay 83.99 if i got a 5000/768 connection. i just hope not too many are using the ultrajoke plan cause if they are then we will never see a change.
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[text was edited by author 2002-09-25 17:25:46]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4527575 Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:21:03 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4527555 JonIrenicas : "More fuzzy math from the shill. 1332 is only 88% of the cap."

Wrong, as of right now it's 1325 and that's right between 94% and 95% of 1400.

"and in that department ATTBi lags WELL behind their peers."

You are correct. But as for reliability those providers lag WELL behind ATTBI.

"I'll explain it in a Crayon like fashion for ya. Average Yugo drivers can max out the performance of a Yugo too...doesn't mean that Yugos are bitchen. ATTBi is the Yugo of the cable internet world."

More like say you are shopping for a car and there is a Corvette that can go 100 MPH but when you test drive it you find it doesn't go 100 very often and is very unreliable and sometimes goes 10 MPH and other times it goes 70 MPH but goes an average of 66 MPH and on the other side of the lot there is a Yugo that can only go 50 MPH but is very reliable and goes 50 MPH all the time and you have a choice to upgrade it now or later and make it go 100 MPH all the time. The Corvettes a little cheaper then the Yugo and both are alot cheaper then the upgraded Yugo.

Now I'd go after the reliable one every time. Obviously you'd gamble and go after the slightly cheaper but unreliable Corvette.. Right?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4527555 Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:19:15 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4527356 JonIrenicas : "Boy does your math suck. Are you telling me that 650kbps isn't 50% of 1300?"

Of cource it is. But 50% isn't 2x more, 2x more would be 100% more.

"I would think that would have been on the ATTBi shill exam before you were hired."

Exhibiting more of your trolling behaviors I see...

"ATTBi is overpriced...and not by a little."

That's your opinion.

"Wow i wish i still had my speed tests from when i had that ultrajoke plan then youd be changing that 97% statement."

It's Actually between 94% and 95%.

"As far as the 1.5/256 plan i do get a 1440/230 results quite frequently. So next time you need to base your 97% off both plans that ATTBI offers cause your obviously doing it to all the other providers your not shilling for."

I don't quite understand this post. For one the 97% was in reference to what the overall speed results are to the normal plan so 1325 Kbps is aprox. 94% of 1400 Kbps. And Cox who offer 3 MBps caps only get 2 MBps of that in overall speed tests results so 2 Mbps is 66% of 3 Mbps. And Adelphia is even worse their percentage is well under %50. It's still faster then ATTBI of cource. But my point is that ATTBI's systems are much more stable, more people reach their cap and if somebody wants 3 MBps they can get it, with Cox and other various Cable Inet providers that is not the case. You could get 1 Mbps, 500 Kbps, 3Mbps, 1.8 Mbps and everywhere in between. You never know. Speeds are all over the place with them but with AT&TB you will almost certainly get 1.4 or 3.0 depending which plan you want.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4527356 Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:59:41 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4527311 skyjock41 :
said by Count Hogula$ See Profile:

Seeing as you have a math problem...I'll explain it in a Crayon like fashion for ya. Average Yugo drivers can max out the performance of a Yugo too...doesn't mean that Yugos are bitchen. ATTBi is the Yugo of the cable internet world. Comcast is a '73 Vega wagon (and not a Cosworth).

I like that one and its so very true!
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More fuzzy math from the shill. 1332 is only 88% of the cap. And so what, 100% of zero is zero. The percentage of who reaches the cap is irrelevant...it's the total average speeds for the money...and in that department ATTBi lags WELL behind their peers.

Seeing as you have a math problem...I'll explain it in a Crayon like fashion for ya. Average Yugo drivers can max out the performance of a Yugo too...doesn't mean that Yugos are bitchen. ATTBi is the Yugo of the cable internet world. Comcast is a '73 Vega wagon (and not a Cosworth).

What a garage they'll make.
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said by JonIrenicas See Profile:

But ATTBI also offers the most reliable speeds. Users average 97% of the cap.


Wow i wish i still had my speed tests from when i had that ultrajoke plan then youd be changing that 97% statement. As far as the 1.5/256 plan i do get a 1440/230 results quite frequently. So next time you need to base your 97% off both plans that ATTBI offers cause your obviously doing it to all the other providers your not shilling for.
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And only a shill would try to justify ATTBi charging twice the price for what their peers offer or just over 10% more for 1/2 the speed.

Realistic speeds? 50% faster is pretty damn realistic...especially since ATTBi charges more for less.

ATTBi is overpriced...and not by a little.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4526573 Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:35:38 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4526278 JonIrenicas : "Sorry...no one is buying your endless shilling for ATTBi. Facts are the average user with Cox gets faster speeds than the average user with ATTBi."

Get your facts straight, I never said otherwise.

"Average peak speeds with Cox 1971kbps
Average off peak speeds with Cox 2030kbps
Rank 18th 1682 cox.net 1971 239 2030

Average peak speeds with ATTBi 1332kbps
Average off peak speeds with ATTBi 1377kbps
Rank 37th 2823 attbi.com 1332 232 1377

Source DSLR Speed tests for week of 9/22

Seems that for 15% cheaper than ATTBi the average Cox users gets 50% faster speeds."

Thank you for helping me prove my point. Although Cox offers CAPS at 3 Mbps the average is under 2 Mbps. 600 Kbps more NOT 2x more then ATTBI.
And BTW Cox is only cheaper then ATTBI in some markets while others it's actually more expensive.

"Next time you shill for ATTBi how about posting some facts to support your claims."

You have yet to disprove one fact. You've introduce many facts but none that disprove any facts I've introduced.

"Facts are that ALL of ATTBi peers are faster than (#37) ATTBi including Time Warner (#28), Adelphia (#21), and Cox HSI (#18). Who was worse than ATTBi? COMCAST. Oh boy...birds of a feather."

You're absolutely right. ATTBI and Comcast have the lowest caps in the business. I've never stated otherwise. But ATTBI also offers the most reliable speeds. Users average 97% of the cap while with Cox it's 66% and with Time Warner although having a CAP 600 Kbps higher they only average 201 Kbps more then ATTBI and they don't have any option at all to get 3 Mbps.

And Adelphia although they offer 3.4 Mbps CAPS they only average Just under 500 Kbps more then ATTBI with tons of users testing below 500 KBps! And again if you want 3 MBps speeds with them you have to be lucky.

"BTW Shill...not all ATTBi users qualify for Ultralink."

You're right troll. I'd take wild guess and say it's only available to 50%-75% of their users but I doubt it will be very long before it's available to all their markets.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4526278 Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:54:34 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4521225 Count Hogula$ : Sorry...no one is buying your endless shilling for ATTBi. Facts are the average user with Cox gets faster speeds than the average user with ATTBi.

Average peak speeds with Cox 1971kbps
Average off peak speeds with Cox 2030kbps
Rank 18th 1682 cox.net 1971 239 2030

Average peak speeds with ATTBi 1332kbps
Average off peak speeds with ATTBi 1377kbps
Rank 37th 2823 attbi.com 1332 232 1377

Source DSLR Speed tests for week of 9/22

Seems that for 15% cheaper than ATTBi the average Cox users gets 50% faster speeds.

Next time you shill for ATTBi how about posting some facts to support your claims. Facts are that ALL of ATTBi peers are faster than (#37) ATTBi including Time Warner (#28), Adelphia (#21), and Cox HSI (#18). Who was worse than ATTBi? COMCAST. Oh boy...birds of a feather.

BTW Shill...not all ATTBi users qualify for Ultralink.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4521225 Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:06:59 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4521050 JonIrenicas :
said by Count Hogula$ See Profile:
A total fabrication.


Every clear thinking person knows that most of that is fact. This can be argued "Most users with Cox get under 2Mbps". But the rest is unarguable facts and any clear thinking person knows it.

And you saying its total fabrication just helps my case that you are nothing but a troll.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4521050 Tue, 24 Sep 2002 22:51:41 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4520440 Count Hogula$ : [QUOTE=JonIrenicasThose companies offer 2MB and 3MB CAPS not necessarily the speeds. Most users with Cox get under 2Mbps, not very reliable speeds, it depends how much traffic is going through the users node. While with ATTB virtually everyone sees the 1.4 Mbps and if they want 3 MBps they can get it, Cox users don't have that option. If they want 3 Mbps they'd have to be lucky enough to be on a node that doesn't have very many users on it. [/QUOTE

A total fabrication.
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Yes, there is already much talk about them losing money. Even if they don't there is still no comparison with them who just handle a small region of the country while ATTB handles large patches all over the country and is the biggest cable provider in the country. Apples and Oranges.

"I mean there are so many other cable companies (RR, Cox, Aldephia etc) that offer either a 2MB or 3MB plan for around 50 still not 83.99."

Those companies offer 2MB and 3MB CAPS not necessarily the speeds. Most users with Cox get under 2Mbps, not very reliable speeds, it depends how much traffic is going through the users node. While with ATTB virtually everyone sees the 1.4 Mbps and if they want 3 MBps they can get it, Cox users don't have that option. If they want 3 Mbps they'd have to be lucky enough to be on a node that doesn't have very many users on it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4517061 Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:31:55 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4516122 JakCrow : Remember att also had a hand in driving @home into the mud with their control of stock and board members. They were trying their best to devalue the company so they could turn around and buy it up for pennies on the dollar.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4516122 Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:54:54 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4515494 Count Hogula$ : Actually Cox is $35. ATTBi is out of line compared to their national cable peers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4515494 Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:29:08 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4515411 skyjock41 :
said by JonIrenicas See Profile:
And 3 Mbit speeds for $35/month was ridiculously low, it was nice while it lasted but we all knew it wouldn't and it was one of the causes for @Homes calapse.


What about OOL at 10MB/1MB for 39.95? Are they in the business of charity? I mean you said @home collapsed cause they charged 35.95 a month. Its only 4 dollars cheaper than OOL but they gave 7MB less download than OOL and 872Kb less upload than OOL. Is OOL going to collapse too or they actually giving their customers something to cheer about? I mean there are so many other cable companies (RR, Cox, Aldephia etc) that offer either a 2MB or 3MB plan for around 50 still not 83.99.
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said by Count Hogula$ See Profile:
said by jonire:
"You should at least log in before continuing your shill-spamming activities."

Oh and if you want to talk about spamming activities look no further then yourself.


Hey big guy...you're the one getting hosed by moderators.


If you would have read (I know how hard it is for you being a troll and all) then you'd know that mod spiting me had nothing to do with me posting anything.

BTW, I've been taken off whatever I was on. My posts show up instantly again.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4515181 Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:53:14 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4515059 Count Hogula$ :
said by JonIrenicas See Profile:
And if one really needs 3Mbits then one shouldn't have a problem with paying $80/month for it.


You may be happy with overpriced, under-staffed services ... others aren't.
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said by jonire:
"You should at least log in before continuing your shill-spamming activities."

Oh and if you want to talk about spamming activities look no further then yourself.


Hey big guy...you're the one getting hosed by moderators.
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The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. -Thomas Jefferson]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4515028 Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:30:23 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4515023 Count Hogula$ : It doesn't take an investigative reporter to actually bothering reading a financial report. It's not rocket science to find out how ATTB spends their money. Maybe if you did some "investigation" instead of shilling...you would recognize the truth about ATTB's anti-consumer business practices.

We're all still waiting for your excuse making to explain ATTB taking on tons of new customers without spending the extra money to support them...or while cutting services they've increased per customer revenue over 10%. Not slander...proved by their financial report.

You are the one operating purely on conjecture. In your overzealous shilling you just choose to ignore the facts.

And again...your ignorance continues. The 3Mb service wasn't the source of the @Home collapse...it was the purchase of the Excite portal that killed @Home. AT&T is anti-consumer...they were 20 years ago when they were broken up and they continue to be today. Offer customers little in the way of satisfaction while maneuvering for ever increasing market share to spread the misery.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4515023 Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:29:53 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4514960 JonIrenicas :
said by skyjock41 See Profile:
You guys are killing me! ATT at the moment is YES still a decent company and their prices are still competitive, no doubting that. But, have you noticed that at this time last year i had a 3000/128 connection for 35.95 a month (yes i know @home is different but i still got billed by ATT). At this time last year i received a 10 dollar discount for my own modem now its a 3 dollar discount? Then they come out with this ultrajoke plan for 83.99 a month basically giving you back what you had a year ago for over double the cost. This my boys is what I call a trend. This is what Ive seen of ATT..........UNJUSTIFIED INFLATION. Lord knows what my 1.5/256 service is going to cost me next September. You guys arent listening to Count.... hes not saying they are the worst or they absolutely suck, hes just letting you know that your in for a ride.


Many things that Hog is saying is slander and other things are based on partial fact or no fact. He's not an investigative reporter (though he thinks he is), people really need to leave that up for the experts. If AT&T is gouging customers then a real investigative reporter for a reputable newspaper or news show will do a real investigation and prove it. And 3 Mbit speeds for $35/month was ridiculously low, it was nice while it lasted but we all knew it wouldn't and it was one of the causes for @Homes calapse. Now, the prices are much more competitive with DSL while still being a bargain compared to the competition. Even the Ultrajoke plan is leaps and bounds cheaper then competition. They are still great prices just not as great as before. And if one really needs 3Mbits then one shouldn't have a problem with paying $80/month for it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4514960 Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:20:06 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4514831 skyjock41 : You guys are killing me! ATT at the moment is YES still a decent company and their prices are still competitive, no doubting that. But, have you noticed that at this time last year i had a 3000/128 connection for 35.95 a month (yes i know @home is different but i still got billed by ATT). At this time last year i received a 10 dollar discount for my own modem now its a 3 dollar discount? Then they come out with this ultrajoke plan for 83.99 a month basically giving you back what you had a year ago for over double the cost. This my boys is what I call a trend. This is what Ive seen of ATT..........UNJUSTIFIED INFLATION. Lord knows what my 1.5/256 service is going to cost me next September. You guys arent listening to Count.... hes not saying they are the worst or they absolutely suck, hes just letting you know that your in for a ride.
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Oh and if you want to talk about spamming activities look no further then yourself.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4514739 Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:51:38 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4514723 anon : "You should at least log in before continuing your shill-spamming activities."

I think some Mod put me on some kind of watch list to spite me. I reported a post that had vulgar language in it and this mod IMED saying it was A-Ok for posters to use vulgar language and I got on his case about it, the entire thread was removed (although just editing the subject line would have been sufficient) the next day (probably by a real mod) but I'm assuming he put me on this watch list where my posts have to be read by the human eye before showing up on the boards. That last post didn't show up for over two hours and I had made 3 other posts that did show up before it so I thought it wasn't going to show up at all. I logged out and posted it anonymous and it showed up instantly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4514723 Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:49:38 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4512226 Count Hogula$ : You should at least log in before continuing your shill-spamming activities.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4512226 Tue, 24 Sep 2002 00:53:58 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4512222 Count Hogula$ : Oh my...such bad feelings abound...boo hoo. Facts are facts...and the fact is ATTBi is taking on more customers without spending the increased pennies to support them. Period. You can shill for them all you want but your continuous spin and fiction can't rewrite history. Still waiting for you to dispute ATTB's financial statements? You are quick to deflect the topic...just like your tangent about me not having Cox access which was obviously a lie on your part.

Maybe your obvious failure to do any shread of research is the source of your problem...or a more likely story...you are a shill...plain and simple...and to you ATTBi can do no wrong and anyone who tells the TRUTH about ATTBi is a big meanie.
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Your statements are based on hatred not facts and certainly not on any facts you can prove. And no ones going to sue you unless you decide to make these comments in a magazine or newspaper and even then it's unlikely anyone would get sued. But no self respecting newspaper or magazine would let one of their editors publish such slanderous statements in the first place because they value the respect they get and they wouldn't want to take a chance on a possible law suit.

Leave the investigative reporting for the experts. The only people that are going to buy into your slander that you call fact is more AT&T Broadband haters.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4510119 Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:42:49 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4509061 JonIrenicas :
said by Count Hogula$ See Profile:
Let them sue me. My statements are based on their long history of f-ing over their customers. All the shilling in the world doesn't change those facts.


Your statements are based on hatred not facts and certainly not on any facts you can proove. And no ones going to sue you unless you decide to make these comments in a magazine or newspaper and even then it's unlikely anyone would get sued. But no self respecting newspaper or magazine would let one of their editors publish such slanderous statements in the first place because they value the respect they get and they wouldn't want to take a chance on a possible law suit.

Leave the investigative reporting for the experts. The only people that are going to buy into your slander that you call fact is more AT&T Broadband haters.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4509061 Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:18:12 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4508248 JakCrow :
said by JonIrenicas See Profile:
You don't know any of this for a fact. You're just making assumptions and slanderous comments.

You really need to get a grip.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4508248 Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:01:06 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4508229 JakCrow :
said by Count Hogula$ See Profile:
Let them sue me. My statements are based on their long history of f-ing over their customers. All the shilling in the world doesn't change those facts.

I agree with this post.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4508229 Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:59:09 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4506870 Count Hogula$ :
said by JonIrenicas See Profile:
You don't know any of this for a fact. You're just making assumptions and slanderous comments.


Let them sue me. My statements are based on their long history of f-ing over their customers. All the shilling in the world doesn't change those facts.
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said by Count Hogula$ See Profile:
Some if not most will probably be laid off as what the whole point of a merger is...limiting resources while controlling a larger market share. ATTB has already shown itself to freeze customer service spending while letting their customer base expand. There is no reason to believe that Comcast people (or what's left of them) will bring a change to that anti-consumer philosophy. ATTB will continue to freeze support spending while bringing in a massive amount of new customers.


You don't know any of this for a fact. You're just making assumptions and slanderous comments.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4506778 Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:34:20 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4506472 Count Hogula$ : Some if not most will probably be laid off as what the whole point of a merger is...limiting resources while controlling a larger market share. ATTB has already shown itself to freeze customer service spending while letting their customer base expand. There is no reason to believe that Comcast people (or what's left of them) will bring a change to that anti-consumer philosophy. ATTB will continue to freeze support spending while bringing in a massive amount of new customers.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4506472 Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:54:40 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4506055 JonIrenicas :
said by skyjock41 See Profile:
You think its bad now and cant get any worse lol? You need to click your heels again and maybe youll leave Kansas! No offense man but ATT customer service is crap now and Comcasts is even worse. So it will get worse. Prices will go up. Connection will stay the same.


The merger won't magically change customer service so it will be worse. During and after the merger the same old phone support people will be taking our calls just as they do now with AT&T. They will just be working under Comcast instead of AT&T Broadband. I don't know about prices, they may go up, right now competition is $50 so Cable will stay around $50. And as competition offers faster speeds so will cable. Right now Cable blows most competition away + with all the file sharers taxing many nodes around the country there is no reason for them to offer faster speeds.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4506055 Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:03:17 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4486003 Blizzard0 : first off im gonna tell ya a little bit about some of the crap attbi has pulled in my area since they bought mediaone.

one of my freinds has had cable service since it was first available here and the prices have been hiked yearly since.

so here what attbi does here and you can tell me if you deem this a worthy company to fight for. id rather see the ship sink and another company pull to the bow and take the customers and SOME of the workers.

ok we start analyzing now 4 price increases in 4 years.

First was from 29.95 to 35.95 this was renting a modem from them. Second was 35.95 to 41.95 then to 45.95 now to 49.95 ohhh not bad you say because you got the modem. Well yeah let's see i bought me a modem to knock off $10 dropped me to 39.95 for all of 4 months.... hey no surprise im paying 46.95 now compared to the 42.95 for people who don't own the modem. Wow seems like i got myself a hell of a deal.

Second Tangent Where i live weekly and i do mean weekly our cable service goes down for a day or so. attbi knows of the issue and has yet to fix it. same problem every time a truck takes out a damn node down the road. you figure one tech would move the node from the low hanging position to a spot away from the low wire.

hey amazing all this money to go towards upgrades i have yet to hit my cap consistantly. sure once a month at 180 k a sec is great try using linux and developing open source when you do it for free on your time just to be pissed when attbi goes down and you can't upload 5 or 6 days of work. yeah i hear it just wait a couple days till it's back up. should i really have to wait as it was sold to me always on and reliable. besides this code is helping many and having some one reinvent your wheel is a useless waste of time.

this has been my experience with attbi since i moved and also since my freind has lived in this area. i find it quite amuzing when you harp about how good attbi is when you don't see the trouble spots. i also find it amuzing when people harp about the crappy parts of the network because they have never seen a stable connection. my amuzement with the bad connection is that of i just gotta laugh because it happens to me here also and i know it sucks.

Guys 2 sides to every story. The attbi books probably lie just like enron and most of the others. if they do put out money for upgrades id like my area added to the list. it's pretty bad when you call and the person you talk to 9 times out of 10 knows your voice and name.

AFTER ALL THAT I SAY SINK THE DAMN SHIP AND DON'T THROW LIFESAVERS TO THE EXEC's AND MANAGERS WHO ARE RUNNING IT INTO THE GROUND.
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I too was a attbi hater but now with this new service my connection is to slow to complain ... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4486003 Sat, 21 Sep 2002 07:00:03 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4481034 skyjock41 : "Just because a company is big doesn't mean they can't offer good customer service. Just as a company being small doesn't mean they will offer good customer service. Look at em now, they haven't even merged yet and they already offer horid customer service, it can only get better."

You think its bad now and cant get any worse lol? You need to click your heels again and maybe youll leave Kansas! No offense man but ATT customer service is crap now and Comcasts is even worse. So it will get worse. Prices will go up. Connection will stay the same.
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What amazes me the most is that ATTBI and Comcast are both able to charge the exact same amount for broadband in most of their markets, even though some customers cost a lot more to hook up than others. I'm sure if I had to pay the "full cost" of my connection, it'd be a helluva lot more than I am currently paying!"

Ya there was no pay hike in my area either.

"Lameass, I don't claim to have Cox HSI...just access to it. Before flapping your mouth off go to the speed test archive for zip 92883 AS I HAD STATED PREVIOUSLY. Oh yeah...your head is too far up your ass to actually bother reading the thread."

LOL, I apologize. I read but I'm not gonna do everything you ask.

"You're just another dumbass lying ATTBi shill."

You're just another typical troll that makes 18 posts a day. And what have I ever lied about?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4467971 Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:37:02 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4467747 Count Hogula$ :
said by JonIrenicas:
said by Count Hogula:
$42 is not reasonable and is overpriced when compared to ATTBi cable peers.


Pretty funny statement when you take in account that most cable broadband providers charge more then that. Yes even Cox (though not in all markets) and Roadrunner.

Also, you claim to have Cox yet it clearly shows in this thread »How close is close that you don't have a Cable connection and you're waiting for ATTBI to "roll out' in your area. And your profile clearly says your claimed ISP is Unplugged/Coastinet, NOT Cox plus you've made two reviews »/allrevi···p=,92883 two reviews that aren't reviewing Cox.

Clearly you don't have Cox cable so this statement "As for Cox speeds, I get consistent 3Mb speeds from Cox OC" is a lie. You don't get those speeds because you don't got Cox cable. If you can't get this right why should anything you say be taken seriously? We might aswell assume everything you type is a lie. And you sure do bash ATTB alot for someone who is eagerly awaiting their services. Clearly you are a troll and anyone that thinks you aren't is lying to themselves.
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Lameass, I don't claim to have Cox HSI...just access to it. Before flapping your mouth off go to the speed test archive for zip 92883 AS I HAD STATED PREVIOUSLY. Oh yeah...your head is too far up your ass to actually bother reading the thread.

Count Hogula 92883 3126/201 3000/300 11th 23:xx oc.oc.cox.net
Count Hogula 92883 3059/205 3000/300 12th 05:xx oc.oc.cox.net
Count Hogula 92883 2914/211 3000/300 11th 23:xx oc.oc.cox.net

You're just another dumbass lying ATTBi shill.
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[text was edited by author 2002-09-19 10:06:17]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4467747 Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:04:53 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4467207 pnh102 :
said by Count Hogula:
Every cable operator does new installs and a lot of the "new infrastructure" is actually paid by the builder. You think they'll trench the 'hood for free. Think again.

Actually Comcast did all of its upgrades in our area without a (recent) fee hike. The only thing they charge you for if you get broadband is if you have a "professional installation." I believe that is $50 if you do that.

What amazes me the most is that ATTBI and Comcast are both able to charge the exact same amount for broadband in most of their markets, even though some customers cost a lot more to hook up than others. I'm sure if I had to pay the "full cost" of my connection, it'd be a helluva lot more than I am currently paying!
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said by Count Hogula:
$42 is not reasonable and is overpriced when compared to ATTBi cable peers.


Pretty funny statement when you take in account that most cable broadband providers charge more then that. Yes even Cox (though not in all markets) and Roadrunner.

Also, you claim to have Cox yet it clearly shows in this thread »How close is close that you don't have a Cable connection and you're waiting for ATTBI to "roll out' in your area. And your profile clearly says your claimed ISP is Unplugged/Coastinet, NOT Cox plus you've made two reviews »/allrevi···p=,92883 two reviews that aren't reviewing Cox.

Clearly you don't have Cox cable so this statement "As for Cox speeds, I get consistent 3Mb speeds from Cox OC" is a lie. You don't get those speeds because you don't got Cox cable. If you can't get this right why should anything you say be taken seriously? We might aswell assume everything you type is a lie. And you sure do bash ATTB alot for someone who is eagerly awaiting their services. Clearly you are a troll and anyone that thinks you aren't is lying to themselves.
[text was edited by author 2002-09-19 00:23:26]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4465325 Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:45:55 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4461316 Count Hogula$ : Every cable operator does new installs and a lot of the "new infrastructure" is actually paid by the builder. You think they'll trench the 'hood for free. Think again.

As for Cox speeds, I get consistent 3Mb speeds from Cox OC. (See speed tests for ZIP 92883). My friends with TW in OC get consistant 2Mb speeds from their RR connections. Sure everyone has their problems...but even with problems Cox and TW are faster than ATTBi on a good day.

$42 is not reasonable and is overpriced when compared to ATTBi cable peers.
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They blow DSL away in speeds and price. Cox is cheaper in many of it's markets while in others it's more expensive then ATTBI. Roadrunner is about the same price. Really, ATTBI offers very good and competitive prices. Also as I stated earlier just because the caps are higher then ATTBI doesn't mean users will ever see those speeds. Cox's systems are very unstable and even though the cap is at 3 Mbps most users see between 100Kbps and 2 Mbps. ATTB's systems are very stable and virtually all users test at the 1.4 Mbps the cap is set at while if you want 3 Mbps and are whilling to pay for it you will almost always get the 3 Mbps when with Cox it could be 100 KBps or 2 Mbps and on rare occasions 3 Mbps it all depends. Again, just because the caps are higher doesn't mean users get those speeds because they usually don't get anywhere near.

"It seems to not make sense to you.

PER CUSTOMER REVENUE X NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS = TOTAL REVENUE

Maybe your math is still fuzzy so I will explain it again. More customers means more revenue to support those customers. EXCEPT, ATTB is in the practice of taking on more customers, charging them higher rates, while keeping total expenditures the same. I think your ignorance to this fact is intentional."

Upgrading areas in not cheap and while it may pay for itself in the long run in the short term it is very costly. You can throw this revenue crap at me all you want. I don't care, ATTB is in debt and they have every right to get out of it. Business must be proffitable.

"Of course you don't care that you're over paying for your service. Other's do."

$42 is not overpaying, it's very reasonable and competitive. I'd be very lucky to get this price for these speeds anywhere else. The end.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4460392 Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:14:55 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4460191 Count Hogula$ : "What's with this personal vandeta against ATTBI? They offer some of the cheapest prices in Broadband, Cable broadband even."

What's with your shilling for ATTBi? They DON'T offer some of the cheapest rates (most of their peers are cheaper) AND they offer 33-66% less services.

"They have more area's to upgrade and maintain then any other cable provider. I don't care if that doesn't make any sense to you."

It seems to not make sense to you.

PER CUSTOMER REVENUE X NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS = TOTAL REVENUE

Maybe your math is still fuzzy so I will explain it again. More customers means more revenue to support those customers. EXCEPT, ATTB is in the practice of taking on more customers, charging them higher rates, while keeping total expenditures the same. I think your ignorance to this fact is intentional.

"Maybe they do maybe they don't. I personally don't care."

Of course you don't care that you're over paying for your service. Other's do.

"BTW, you registered on June 19th and have made 1558 posts. I haven't met many non trolls who post at such a ridiculous rate. My question is don't you have anything better to do with your time then to endlessly bash a Broadband ISP's prices when they already offer very good and competetive prices?"

Shilling for ATTBi is a better hobby you think? Figures some one who enjoys paying too much for service would also criticize active members of DSLR. ATTBi offers less than mediocre service for the prices they charge compared to their peers. You may be a philanthropist, but others aren't and question why ATTBi needs to continuously raise prices while offering less service when their peers seem to do just fine offering more for less.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4460191 Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:11:26 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4459770 JonIrenicas : "PER SUBSCRIBER REVENUE...increased from $36 to $40. More subscribers just means more revenue...EXCEPT they aren't spending any more money when they take on these new customers."

What's with this personal vandeta against ATTBI? They offer some of the cheapest prices in Broadband, Cable broadband even.

"ATTBi also takes in more money. Your statement makes no sense. How does the number of customers matter when you have revenue from every customer. Double the customers, double the revenue."

They have more area's to upgrade and maintain then any other cable provider. I don't care if that doesn't make any sense to you.

"They have the revenue to spend in division...but they aren't spending it. That's the ONLY reason your aren't getting it."

Maybe they do maybe they don't. I personally don't care.

BTW, you registered on June 19th and have made 1558 posts. I haven't met many non trolls who post at such a ridiculous rate. My question is don't you have anything better to do with your time then to endlessly bash a Broadband ISP's prices when they already offer very good and competetive prices?


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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4459770 Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:04:57 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4459410 Count Hogula$ :
said by JonIrenicas:
"Really? Yeah...there is no development going on in Orange County, CA or any of their other markets. Nice fiction."

I didn't say there isn't any development going on in Orange county. Nice fiction. I said they don't have nearly as many Neigborhoods to upgrade and mantain.

"Really...nice to know that you speak for the U.S. internet subscriber base."

I speak for myself.

"Meanwhile they're still cheaper than ATTBi and twice the speed...or is it less than 1/2 the cost for the same speed. I guess it's both. Welcome to ATTBi's new math."

As I said they can offer that because they don't have nearly as many neigborhoods to upgrade and mantain as ATTB does. Nore the backbone ATT has created. And even with having a cap twice as much as ATTBI does they only average about 200Kbps more then ATTBI in speed tests. Just because the cap is at 3 MBPS doesn't mean users are ever gonna get that speed. ATTB has done alot to create a very stable network, virtually all users see 1.4 MBps where the cap is set at while with Cox it fluctuates and many many people test bellow 1 Mbps, most people test between 2.0 Mbps and 100 Kbps.

I guess you have to ask yourself. Would you rather pay a little more every month and have very stable 1.4 Mbps speeds or pay a little less and have very eratic speeds. Or pay twice as much and have stable 3.0 Mbps speeds. I don't know about you or anyone else but I'd go for the stability every single time.


PER SUBSCRIBER REVENUE...increased from $36 to $40. More subscribers just means more revenue...EXCEPT they aren't spending any more money when they take on these new customers.

ATTBi also takes in more money. Your statement makes no sense. How does the number of customers matter when you have revenue from every customer. Double the customers, double the revenue.

They have the revenue to spend in division...but they aren't spending it. That's the ONLY reason your aren't getting it.
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said by JonIrenicas:
They ended up not finishing the upgrades in my area until two years later this last June.

Wow... I have a bad feeling that if AT&T continues to go into the shitter (as they are because of their sales losses in residential long distance), they will end up taking the broadband division with them. It definitely better to let ATTBI go now instead of letting it sink with the rest of the ship.
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said by pnh102:
Keep in mind that when they bought TCI, they bought it high, and having no idea how to run a cable company, were unable to perform these upgrades in a profitable manner. I think ATTBI will be under much better management by Comcast, because cable is still their primary business.


Ya I remember when they started upgrading my area shortly after they took over for TCI in June of 2000, that was when the economy started to really slide and AT&T got deep into their financial trouble. They ended up not finishing the upgrades in my area until two years later this last June.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4458728 Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:28:41 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4458217 pnh102 :
said by JonIrenicas:
Maybe those companies would too if they were in debt and were upgrading neigborhoods all over the country. And ATTBI raised the prices by $6 after @home folded

Keep in mind that when they bought TCI, they bought it high, and having no idea how to run a cable company, were unable to perform these upgrades in a profitable manner. I think ATTBI will be under much better management by Comcast, because cable is still their primary business.
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I didn't say there isn't any development going on in Orange county. Nice fiction. I said they don't have nearly as many Neigborhoods to upgrade and mantain.

"Really...nice to know that you speak for the U.S. internet subscriber base."

I speak for myself.

"Meanwhile they're still cheaper than ATTBi and twice the speed...or is it less than 1/2 the cost for the same speed. I guess it's both. Welcome to ATTBi's new math."

As I said they can offer that because they don't have nearly as many neigborhoods to upgrade and mantain as ATTB does. Nore the backbone ATT has created. And even with having a cap twice as much as ATTBI does they only average about 200Kbps more then ATTBI in speed tests. Just because the cap is at 3 MBPS doesn't mean users are ever gonna get that speed. ATTB has done alot to create a very stable network, virtually all users see 1.4 MBps where the cap is set at while with Cox it fluctuates and many many people test bellow 1 Mbps, most people test between 2.0 Mbps and 100 Kbps.

I guess you have to ask yourself. Would you rather pay a little more every month and have very stable 1.4 Mbps speeds or pay a little less and have very eratic speeds. Or pay twice as much and have stable 3.0 Mbps speeds. I don't know about you or anyone else but I'd go for the stability every single time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4452542 Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:18:06 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4451955 Count Hogula$ : "They were charging $36. $36 + $6 = $42 = 6 or 7% increase."

$6 is 16.67% of $36 guy. $36 + (16.67% of $36) = $42. You must subscribe to ATTBi's math practices.

"Cox doesn't have near as many neigborhoods to upgrade and maintane as ATTBI does. Even still Cox has already started price increases in select areas."

Really? Yeah...there is no development going on in Orange County, CA or any of their other markets. Nice fiction. Meanwhile your comments still don't address ATTBi not spending any more even though they have more customers to support. Per customer revenues have sky-rocketed...per customer spending has plummeted.

"That doesn't mean anything. The expenses they incurred to warrant a price increase could have happened more then a year ago."

Read their financials...they DIDN'T SPEND ANY MORE MONEY THAN LAST YEAR. And they already had an increase last year.

"Absolutely. Although the difference between 3.0 and 1.5 is slight the difference between 750 and 1.5 would be huge. They won't lower it though, infact I feel they will increase it in the coming years once they start to balance out and get more organized aswell as possibly DSL being able to offer 2 Mbps+ speeds at low prices."

Ummm, 50% is 50%. I suppose you are for DL caps too?

"1.5 Mbps is enough."

Really...nice to know that you speak for the U.S. internet subscriber base.

"Might wanna stop boasting Cox after the resent news that they've increased prices by $5 in several of their markets."

Meanwhile they're still cheaper than ATTBi and twice the speed...or is it less than 1/2 the cost for the same speed. I guess it's both. Welcome to ATTBi's new math.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4451955 Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:15:08 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4451884 JakCrow :
said by JonIrenicas:
Just because a company is big doesn't mean they can't offer good customer service. Just as a company being small doesn't mean they will offer good customer service. Look at em now, they haven't even merged yet and they already offer horid customer service, it can only get better.

"It can only get better." That's what they said when at&t bought tci, but instead, tci's poor customer service infected all of at&t.

said by JonIrenicas:

Haven't you had enough already with trolling this in the ATTBI forums? Don't you have anything better to do with your time?

Stop shilling for at&t.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4451884 Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:07:49 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4451839 JonIrenicas : "You're right. Your math isn't very good. When charging $30, $6 is a 20% increase ($6 being a 6% increase of something would have the original price at $100)."

They were charging $36. $36 + $6 = $42 = 6 or 7% increase.

"And that's not all they did...they cut the speeds in half (while their peers like Cox didn't)"

Cox doesn't have near as many neigborhoods to upgrade and maintane as ATTBI does. Even still Cox has already started price increases in select areas.

"but their books show that their expenses in the ATTB division haven't increased over the last year while they increased their per customer take from $36 to over $40."

That doesn't mean anything. The expenses they incured to warrant a price increase could have happened more then a year ago.

"1.5Mb may be plenty for you"

Who would it not be plenty for? Someone who is reselling the connection? Someone who downloads endless porn and warez everyday?

"how about 768? Would you be upset if they cut your speeds to 768?"

Absolutely. Although the difference between 3.0 and 1.5 is slight the difference between 750 and 1.5 would be huge. They won't lower it though, infact I feel they will increase it in the coming years once they start to balance out and get more organized aswell as possibly DSL being able to offer 2 Mbps+ speeds at low prices.

"Tell all of us here how much speed is "enough"."

1.5 Mbps is enough.

"ATTBi subscribers should be getting what they've originally payed for and these endless price hikes should result in some improvement of services."

What they originally payed for was their first month of service with @Home. What they payed for this month is 1.5 Mbps download speeds from AT&T Broadband.

"Cox and Dish Network seem to have learned the lesson."

Might wanna stop boasting Cox after the resent news that they've increased prices by $5 in several of their markets.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4451839 Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:02:41 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4451586 Count Hogula$ : You're right. Your math isn't very good. When charging $30, $6 is a 20% increase ($6 being a 6% increase of something would have the original price at $100). Then they took another increase. And that's not all they did...they cut the speeds in half (while their peers like Cox didn't) then came back offering those original speeds for 258% higher. ATTBi isn't the only CATV operation expanding...but their books show that their expenses in the ATTB division haven't increased over the last year while they increased their per customer take from $36 to over $40. Now if they are adding all these customer as you claim...but aren't spending a dime more (as their financial report states)...what's happening? They're cutting services. They maintain the same amount of CS agents and tech people to support and ever increasing customer base. On hold times increase and service goes downhill.

As for your second comment...now we see your attitude. 1.5Mb may be plenty for you...how about 768? Would you be upset if they cut your speeds to 768? How about 512? Tell all of us here how much speed is "enough". ATTBi subscribers should be getting what they've originally payed for and these endless price hikes should result in some improvement of services. Cox and Dish Network seem to have learned the lesson.

And again...@Home failed because of their Excite purchase...not bandwidth. Your continuous assertion that it was bandwidth that ran @home into bankruptcy is false.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4451586 Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:37:07 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4451490 JonIrenicas :
said by Count Hogula:
It's not spamming to continue the point after it's brought up. And again...maybe you aren't getting it. It's not about xDSL versus cable...it's about ATTBi compared to their peers. The technologies have different cost factors...but cable is cable and ATTBi (as evidenced by their books) has shown a pattern of unjustified price increases as a consequence of their monopoly power. Their peers aren't taking 258% increases.


Maybe those companies would too if they were in debt and were upgrading neigborhoods all over the country. And ATTBI raised the prices by $6 after @home folded, I'm not very good at math but that's barely a 6% increase.

I know you're reffering to the ultra service that has the old bankrupt @home speeds for $80/month but if people really want those speeds enough they will pay more for it. No one is forcing anyone to order that service and 1.5 Mbps is already plenty of bandwidth.


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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4451490 Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:24:32 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4451336 Count Hogula$ : It's not spamming to continue the point after it's brought up. And again...maybe you aren't getting it. It's not about xDSL versus cable...it's about ATTBi compared to their peers. The technologies have different cost factors...but cable is cable and ATTBi (as evidenced by their books) has shown a pattern of unjustified price increases as a consequence of their monopoly power. Their peers aren't taking 258% increases.
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said by Count Hogula:
How is it trolling to point out the truth? These are FACTS of ATTBi not conjecture. It's shows a pattern of customer abuse by ATTBi and the trend is getting worse.


For one, offering 1.5 Mbps speeds for $8 cheaper then DSL it's best competitor for half the speed is not abuse.

And truth or not you've been constantly posting this to no end. Now opinions on what is and isn't trolling does vary but in my view it's trolling. One or two posts is sufficient, you don't need to spam the boards.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4451123 Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:41:40 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4450795 Count Hogula$ :
said by JonIrenicas:
said by jhboricua:
Do you know the meaning of trolling? Cause honestly I don't see it on Hogula's post.


I wasn't talking about the post he made here but all the posts he's made in the ATTBI forum saying the same thing.


How is it trolling to point out the truth? These are FACTS of ATTBi not conjecture. It's shows a pattern of customer abuse by ATTBi and the trend is getting worse.
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said by pnh102:
said by JonIrenicas:
...its automatically the fault of some big "evil" mega-corp.


Sometimes I forget that I am not at 'CommunistReports.com' ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4450535 Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:30:32 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4450226 JonIrenicas :
said by jhboricua:
Do you know the meaning of trolling? Cause honestly I don't see it on Hogula's post.


I wasn't talking about the post he made here but all the posts he's made in the ATTBI forum saying the same thing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4450226 Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:46:52 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4450143 pnh102 :
said by JonIrenicas:
Hasen't you had enough already with trolling this in the ATTBI forums? Don't you have anything better to do with your time?

Agreed. The way I read some of the posts here, its as if all people here do all day long is stay on the phone with customer support (because their connections never work) and do speed tests, and the second anything goes below what "OOL does", its automatically the fault of some big "evil" mega-corp.

Personally, I am very happy with my Comcast-provided Cable TV service and high speed Internet service. I feel that they have earned the money I pay them for these things. How did Comcast get to where they are today? Its not because they held guns to peoples' heads and said "gimme money", its because they offered services that people wanted to buy. The second they bought up our old cable company they worked to make broadband available to us, something no other company, especially these worthless mom & pop ISPs (and even all of the bigger worthless ISPs, such as Earthlink), ever bothered to do. By the time it was available, everyone in my neighborhood subscribed to it (the newly run cable lines along peoples' lawns show that).

I don't fault Comcast for being as big as they are, they earned it. Maybe if some of these other ISPs had done the same things they did, they would be reaping the benefits.
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Just because a company is big doesn't mean they can't offer good customer service. Just as a company being small doesn't mean they will offer good customer service. Look at em now, they haven't even merged yet and they already offer horid customer service, it can only get better.

"While both of these companies per customer costs will drop because of increased volume...they will just heap on the price increases like ATTBi has done.

Just last year alone average collections per ATTBi customer went from $36 in 1Q 2001 to over $40 by 2Q 2002. More than 10% while their expenses remained unchanged despite turning up new customers (this according to their latest financial report). You don't add customers without spending more money unless you cut services."

Haven't you had enough already with trolling this in the ATTBI forums? Don't you have anything better to do with your time?


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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4449975 Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:19:20 EDT Re: Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4449567 Count Hogula$ : Problem is bloat creats inefficiency and horrid customer service as the peanut heads running the bloated enterprise try to save short term cash rather than look at the long term. Means, longer on hold times, deeper telephone menus, more bloated billing processes and to cover the "costs"...fee increases.

While both of these companies per customer costs will drop because of increased volume...they will just heap on the price increases like ATTBi has done.

Just last year alone average collections per ATTBi customer went from $36 in 1Q 2001 to over $40 by 2Q 2002. More than 10% while their expenses remained unchanged despite turning up new customers (this according to their latest financial report). You don't add customers without spending more money unless you cut services. And ATTBi has done just that. While their peers offer 2Mb, 3Mb and faster speeds for comparable price, ATTBi has elected to double the price for the same service it offered just 18 months ago. 250% increase in customer charges for the same service. Cox is reporting profits in their HSI division despite offering 3Mb service for $36. ATTBi peanut heads just gouge the customers because they can. And this merger will just expose more people to their tyrannical anti-customer practices.
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said by Boycott RIAA:
Can you say MONOPOLY?
I knew you could!

Boycott ________!


They will always be competing with DSL, Satellite TV, Satellite internet and the phone company. Comcast and AT&T are already the only cable providers in the areas they cover (infact in almost all areas only 1 cable provider is available to choose from), nothing changes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4449399 Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:03:18 EDT Get Ready for............................ http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4449359 RipRap : Price Increases..

NO customer service.

Piss poor tech support.

More SPAM.

Clueless installers.

Oooops. We already have all of that! ;)

Can you say MONOPOLY?
I knew you could!

Boycott ________!
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