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Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? in AT&T Broadband http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r4198176 en Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:24:37 EDT Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:24:37 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramen http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4880190 djdanska : you can get kazaa lite and in the preferences, there is an option to change the incoming port.

www.k-lite.tk
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said by acidpad:
ATTBI is not, nor would we, throttle your connections in the sacramento area. the lines are not dedicated so if there are too many people on a node or if the tv is under high use, your connection will be slower. also the fast track network is not good to test speeds with as it depends on the connection of the other users as well. This is not something that is in our better interest, nor is it in yours .... ATTBI - NOC

We already had a few KNOWN ATTBI techs admit they knew about the throttling test...I'll take their word over someone who is anonymous posting from thier college :P]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4811029 Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:44:02 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4810995 anon : Bunch - o - idiots. Kaazaa is "theoretically" intended for non-copyright materials. Cars are "theoretically" intended to be driven under the speed limit. Neither one is built to support either theory. America is a great nation and we must break all stupid laws to force our freedoms. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4810995 Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:40:46 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4730957 sig : I dunno. But this post in the security forum said that ATTBI was testing a technology to do this in a couple markets and provides a link to a program that would appear to make this possible.

»Any way around this?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4730957 Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:48:32 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4730460 anon : ATTBI is not, nor would we, throttle your connections in the sacramento area. the lines are not dedicated so if there are too many people on a node or if the tv is under high use, your connection will be slower. also the fast track network is not good to test speeds with as it depends on the connection of the other users as well. This is not something that is in our better interest, nor is it in yours .... ATTBI - NOC]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4730460 Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:49:38 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4615607 Ericthorn : Part of my small brain wonders if this isn't an attempt by the ISP's to avoid going to court like Verizon currently is. Basically, block 90% of us off from getting access to the P2P's used ports, which would then block off the spoofers/spyers, etc.. see where I'm going with this?
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All I wanted was a Pepsi]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4615607 Fri, 04 Oct 2002 17:35:40 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4559029 anon : I cannot believe you are complaining over Kazaa and other peer to peer programs...IRC has been trading this same stuff for years before anyone though of making a GUI for it]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4559029 Sat, 28 Sep 2002 22:15:57 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4557645 secure51502 : As you know AT&T Broadband has been throttling traffic through port 1214. However, the new version of KaZaA; Version 2.0 allows you to change incoming ports. Which means, you can increase your speed and bypass the limit.
Download Kazaa Lite "http://www.k-lite.tk" After installing the program, start it.
On the tools menu, click options. Click on the firewall tab. where it says use port "1214" for incoming connections change it to port "21". Then clear the the check box next to use port 80 as alternative for incoming connections. Thats it... your good to go. You will most definitely see an increase in your download/upload speed.

Later,
$niþe®ooT]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4557645 Sat, 28 Sep 2002 19:30:56 EDT From an ISP's POV... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4398439 samgaffer : If you worked for a broadband provider even a monopoly, or you read the fine print instead of the marketing bs, you'd know that the 5%, or usually 1% use over 90% of the bandwidth cause you can't live without your porn. We have in out three lines of fine print that we will limit your bandwidth if you start hogging it. Mostly because ISPs have to oversell to survive, much less make a profit.
Not that anybody can resell cable, but DSL is a losing situation for everbody. SBC charges us $35/month for a DSL line, plus we have bandwidth and other costs. SBC steals our cutomers before they can sign a contract and offers them $29.95/month for a higher download speed. Nobody makes any fricking money on broadband.
Cable in the area was down for awhile with the @Home thing and as many as they could bought DSL. In the beginning when they had too much bandwidth allocated to gain customers, it was great. Even three-fourths of employees here have cable, only two have DSL. If you have cable in any area where you have more than one user, you know it sucks. It's one giant LAN and insecure as WLANs. Why don't we kill Bush, put someone in office who can run the country. Stop unfair business practices from monopolies and get cheap bandwidth put in everywhere. Or you script-kiddies could all wakeup and deal with it. Here, look up cyrogenics, freeze yourself until bandwidth is unlimited and free and they have a cure for idiocy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4398439 Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:51:22 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4304505 JonIrenicas :

said by ForceInfinity:
I'm posting as another Sacramento user of ATT BI, but I have a different (but related) problem. I was trying to send a file to a friend of mine over MSN's instant messenger. The problem was the thing errored out giving me a message that indicated that the transmission was blocked and to check my firewall settings.

Problem is I dont run a file wall, dont have a proxy or anything like that.

Got next to nowhere with the complains either. The thing is I should be able to send files to a friend through an instant messenger tool should I not (in fairness AOL IM doesn't exhibit this behavior that I'm aware of)

I can't exactly go to PACBELL because I sit at the 18000 ft mark. Just out of DSL range according to them.

FI

That's strange because if it was being throttled (like Kazaa is) it would still be able to send just be really really slow. Maybe it was your friends settings.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4304505 Sun, 01 Sep 2002 22:53:52 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4304320 anon : I'm posting as another Sacramento user of ATT BI, but I have a different (but related) problem. I was trying to send a file to a friend of mine over MSN's instant messenger. The problem was the thing errored out giving me a message that indicated that the transmission was blocked and to check my firewall settings.

Problem is I dont run a file wall, dont have a proxy or anything like that.

Got next to nowhere with the complains either. The thing is I should be able to send files to a friend through an instant messenger tool should I not (in fairness AOL IM doesn't exhibit this behavior that I'm aware of)

I can't exactly go to PACBELL because I sit at the 18000 ft mark. Just out of DSL range according to them.

FI]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4304320 Sun, 01 Sep 2002 22:35:02 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4297973 error678 : Its there network and they can filter or drop whatever they
choose. Its your right not to accept that and go someplace
else. They are not a public utility and can do what they
want. Why does attbi drop netbios? because people enjoy
exploiting it. Drop the traffic and the problems go away.
Now you are talking about filesharing there could be
a large amount of bandwidth being sucked up because of it
in that area. So whats the answer? simple drop the traffic
and get rid of the problem, possibly fixing some other
problems. Is that the answer you want to hear? probably
not, but It just might be the truth. They have the right
to do what they want, its there network. If you don't like
it then go get another ISP that is not gonna care what you
do. But to them they see it as something causing problems,
so you get rid of the problem. This is just my guess and
by the way excellent way to test your theory with dialup.

-error678]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4297973 Sun, 01 Sep 2002 04:46:05 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4295112 mikeis2cool : Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? I think so. I am not writing to try to debate this issue: I want to present my experience with this same problem (in Sacramento, using attbi cable) and I will leave it up to everyone else to draw their own conclusion.

To begin with, I was happily using Kazaa until about two-plus weeks ago, when I started getting download times that quickly diminished to practically nothing at all. I thought it was a virus, so I searched high-and-low for one to no avail. Next, I thought it was Kazaa itself. I uninstalled it and deleted all registry settings, files, and cookies associated with Kazaa -- just to be sure. I then downloaded and installed Kazaa again. I ended up with the same problem as before. I went through the same uninstall, delete, and download process again, but this time using Kazaa Lite as my installation choice... still the same problem!

I decided to investigate this problem online next. Typing in a variety of Kazaa related searches using Google, I was surprised not to find other people experiencing the same problem. I then got suspicious about my own connection, so I started searching using that criteria for answers: that is when I found this discussion. After reading everything posted, I decided to try my own experiment.

I went to »www.netzero.com and I downloaded the free connection software and set it up for my computer using a dial-up connection (phone modem). I disabled my LAN connection, logged onto NetZero, and then I started Kazaa. After I was connected, I put in a search for an audio file. Before long, I had a respectable list to choose from (while on attbi it was hit-and-miss if I got anything). I double-clicked on one of the results that had a large grouping. I checked on the "Traffic" button and found that my song downloaded with a range from 1.75 Kb/s up to 5.84 Kb/s, mostly staying at about 2.6 Kb/s until the file was completely downloaded.

I have two other friends in Sacramento, who are using attbi and Kazaa, and they are experiencing the same problem that I am (and I think most of you have). By considering the problem as a factor with incredible coincidence, and trying to use a process of elimination, I believe the problem is with attbi -- despite their protestations to the contrary! If I am wrong, then I apologize for steering anyone wrong -- and to attbi as well. If I am correct, then we all have a reason to be upset and attbi should hear about it from all of us.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4295112 Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:30:48 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4293255 shorto85 : The main reason people get broadband is so they can trade files...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4293255 Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:08:20 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4290578 Solja_Bear : What is the SNR??? Sacramento News and Review? Popular maybe, but I think I have read or seen it once in my 30 years here. Are you just looking for negative users, or will you also place in this article satisfied customers? Otherwise the article is clearly biased and would mean nothing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4290578 Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:36:06 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4289192 secure51502 : I would love to speak my mind about this SNRreporter! I can be contacted at secure5150 at hotmail.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4289192 Sat, 31 Aug 2002 02:56:41 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4289188 secure51502 : I would love to speak my mind about this SNRreporter! I can be contacted at secure5150@hotmail.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4289188 Sat, 31 Aug 2002 02:56:04 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4288816 JonIrenicas :

said by SNRreporter:
It's not about that. It's about the fact that they feel at liberty to restrict content without notifying users.

I see your point but it's their network they can block whatever they want. Can they not? They don't have to garuntee that we can use any software or download anything we want. And it's up to us to decide if we want to use their service or not.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4288816 Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:35:02 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4288634 SNRreporter : It's not about that. It's about the fact that they feel at liberty to restrict content without notifying users.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4288634 Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:09:28 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4288243 JonIrenicas :

said by skyjock41:
Well i think they just got 9 Billion from Aol on their sell out so maybe they can stop by and spend about .0000000000000001% of it on my node.

If you can get ahold of the right person up there I'm sure it can get taken care of. Much like what Falling_star and friends does for us here.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4288243 Sat, 31 Aug 2002 00:22:57 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4288217 JonIrenicas :

said by SNRreporter:
If anyone else is having problems, please let me know. I'm a reporter with the SN&R and I just found out today the reason I've had to switch over to winmx since mid-august - and I'm not happy. I'm going to be talking to my editor monday to see about turning this into a feature story. If you want to talk about it - and I'm sure you can get anonymity if you REALLY want it - please email me (my address is public).

It won't be taken seriously.

I can see the title now "Internet Piratez angry at AT&T Broadband for making it harder to pirate software, movies and Music!"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4288217 Sat, 31 Aug 2002 00:19:49 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4287480 SNRreporter : If anyone else is having problems, please let me know. I'm a reporter with the SN&R and I just found out today the reason I've had to switch over to winmx since mid-august - and I'm not happy. I'm going to be talking to my editor monday to see about turning this into a feature story. If you want to talk about it - and I'm sure you can get anonymity if you REALLY want it - please email me (my address is public).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4287480 Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:04:50 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4287338 skyjock41 : Well i think they just got 9 Billion from Aol on their sell out so maybe they can stop by and spend about .0000000000000001% of it on my node.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4287338 Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:48:52 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4287313 anon : Hey. I'm a reporter with a rather popular paper around here - and a rather upset ATTBI customer to boot.

email me at akaheyyou@yahoo.com - I want to talk to people having these problems in hopes of doing a feature story.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4287313 Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:46:39 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4286331 JonIrenicas : ""Time to move out of the sticks! 80 dollars is overpriced.""

naw, $100 or above for 3 Mbits is over priced $80 is a bargain. honestly I don't even know what you can do with a 3 Mbit connection that you can't with a 1.5 except wait a few minutes less when downloading large files. God forbid you wait 20 minutes instead of 10.

""If your phone went out once a day or if your cable tv shut off for about 3 hours would you keep it? NO! All im saying is offer some friggin consistency. All ive seen is my bill going up and my internet connection problems on the rise as well. They need to make it "guaranteed" for the money they are charging.""

I agree, though I never experience any slow downs I think they need to garuntee atleast a certian speed and ping times. many people get 200+ ping times which is unacceptable.

""but when i get 1.5/256 which at some times goes to 800/150 for 42.99 a month i think theres a little room for some complaints about how they do business.""

Perhaps they need to upgrade the system in your neiborhood or split a node but they can't afford to do that if they don't have the money and offering services for cheaper then they can afford isn't going to help, especially when they are already in debt.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4286331 Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:50:25 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4285616 skyjock41 : "outrageous? if it weren't for cable in my market we'd have to pay well over $200/month for that speed. $80 is a bargain IMO."

Time to move out of the sticks! 80 dollars is overpriced. Cable Internet is nothing like Cable TV or your phone! If your phone went out once a day or if your cable tv shut off for about 3 hours would you keep it? NO! All im saying is offer some friggin consistency. All ive seen is my bill going up and my internet connection problems on the rise as well. They need to make it "guaranteed" for the money they are charging. Take a look at OOL if i was paying 39.95 a month for a 10000/1000 connection and i could only get 6000/500 i wouldnt complain but when i get 1.5/256 which at some times goes to 800/150 for 42.99 a month i think theres a little room for some complaints about how they do business.
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Because the cost of cable modems has went down drastically since they first implimented the $10 discount? They were originally $300 at that time while now they are as cheap as $20. Seems like common sense to me.

""or that they give you a measly 3000/384 connection for an outrageous 79.99?""

outrageous? if it weren't for cable in my market we'd have to pay well over $200/month for that speed. $80 is a bargain IMO.

""Or why they sold AOL their stock back or why they merged with Comcast or why they are selling their broadband to Earthlink? This is a company out to make a killing and eliminate theirs DEBTS""

Practical business tactics. They weren't making money before they have to change things and make deals to be profitable otherwise they go bankrupt and we are out of our broadband connections and have to switch to either much slower DSL or in my case unbearable 28K dial-up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4278805 Fri, 30 Aug 2002 01:27:19 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4278733 JonIrenicas :

said by KingsFan:
So are u trying to say we should make cars that only go up to 65mph, so less speeding laws will be broken? Disabling Kazaa will not stop any of us getting materials we want with broadband. If they are gonna block Kazaa why not block the rest??? AT&T has been awful since the @Home transaction. We all stick by AT&T expecting things will better and what do they do? They shit on us!!!.

Not a very good comparison. Cars get us from place to place, nothing illegal about that while Kazaa is virtually used only to privide people with free material that otherwise they would have to pay for.

Kazaa makes it easy to get these materials, easy for newbies who wouldn't have the slightest idea how to get these things otherwise. And while there may be many other ways to illegally download material you'd have a much harder time finding it elsewhere and there is nothing wrong with making it harder to illegally download this material.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4278733 Fri, 30 Aug 2002 01:17:22 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4278542 skyjock41 : Kingsfan why dont you register up ....... but i agree with him ATT is slowly but surely turning to crap. They have redone everything so that they pocket more money (yes i understand they a business trying to make a dollar). You ever think why having your own modem went from a 10.00 dollar discount to a 3 dollar? or that they give you a measly 3000/384 connection for an outrageous 79.99? Or why they sold AOL their stock back or why they merged with Comcast or why they are selling their broadband to Earthlink? This is a company out to make a killing and eliminate theirs DEBTS.

August 10, 2001 - Had ATT@Home - 35.95 a month w/10 dollar discount for modem @ 3000/128

December 5, 2001 - Had ATTBI - 35.95 a month w/10 dollar discount for modem @ 1.5/128

June 1, 2002 - Had ATTBI - 35.95 a month w/10 dollar discount for modem @ 1.5/AND THE NEW 256 (this is when i thought that they were starting to look out for the consumers)

July 1, 2002 - ATTBI - 42.95 a month w/3 dollar discount for modem @ 1.5/256 (this is where they screwed alot of people who had bought their own modem)

August 1, 2002 - ATTBI - 79.95 a month w/3 dollar discount for modem @ 3000/384

NOW - went back to the 1.5/256 cause i cant justify looking back to August 1st, 2001 at the speeds i got for 35.95 vice the NEW Ultralink at 79.95. Ultralink IMO is way too much!
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said by Qumahlin:
Bah who cares what someone from aol thinks heh

He makes great points. I've been been laughing since this thread was created.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4274044 Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:21:10 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4269943 Qumahlin : Bah who cares what someone from aol thinks heh]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4269943 Thu, 29 Aug 2002 09:27:58 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4268388 anon : I don't care where/if you get your warez from or if you're a bandwidth hog. The point of my post is that it's amusing when people complain about not being able to break the law with Kazaa and it's even funnier when some try to imply that they never download copy written material, they download um train videos...

Now I don't care if you download pirated material or make copy written material available for others to get from you, it's none of my business but when measures are taken to prevent you from breaking the law in this way and you go onto a message board and complain about it expect people to laugh in your face.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4268388 Thu, 29 Aug 2002 01:34:47 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4267869 shorto85 : Most of my bandwidth that I use or had used never went towards Kazaa... I am downloading tons of stuff at full speed and uploading stuff at full speed too and I know there are more people out there on AT&T that also do this and simple people like you just blame it out Kazaa when Kazaa is really not that great for geating anything as I have sources to get things within hours of it being released so why should I bother using Kazaa anyways besides a few mp3's which are worth a lot less than other software that I own such as Office XP Professional or Adobe Photoshop 7... those 2 combined cost around $1000]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4267869 Thu, 29 Aug 2002 00:16:55 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4263967 ChrisW123 : I don't use Kazzaa or know if ATT is throttling that program/port, but my WinMX works fine. :) Just tried to download a few mp3's and it's "fast" as it always was and maintains the speed throughout the entire download.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4263967 Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:54:27 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4263798 anon : LOL! People who use Kazaa to download only non copy righted material are few and far between (if they even excist at all) and you know it. Don't piss on my boots and tell me it's just water.

Also almost all MP3's out there available on Kazaa are copyrighted, there's no way to tell what's copyrighted and what's not.

And trust me, AT&T doesn't care if they lose some bandwidth hogging pirates.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4263798 Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:37:02 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4263437 Skarface32 : And downloading music that bands specify are fine for p2p purposes is breaking the law?? The point is, ATT makes false assumptions, and if they continue to do so, they will lose customers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4263437 Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:01:27 EDT Re: Referring threads http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4258817 anon : I like it when people complain about not being able to break the law. "Oh my god, AT&T is doing things that prevents me from breaking the law! How dare they! I'm canceling my service right now and getting an ISP that will allow me to break the law as I wish! wah wah wah"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4258817 Wed, 28 Aug 2002 05:55:37 EDT Referring threads http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4258805 The_Tinkerer$ :

said by dick head here:
You should be careful who you call a "dick head", that person might be reading the forum that you directed them to.

I think that the conversation probably went closer to
"are you using kazaa to download copyrighted materials?"

"no it's uh train videos"

I'll bet you even asked to speak with a supervisor.

Amazingly enough, I see this happen more than not. On the other foot, I've also seen posters here paste entire chat transcripts with techs to make their point, whether it's right or wrong. They figure if they can put the tech's name in print, that it's some sort of intimidation.

I've had similar things happen to me, including one person who said they were going to copy the chat transcript and give it to the local news station! WTF? Sorry guys, but if it's a difference between giving you what you want, and what is allowed, then I'm sticking by the company, for that is what feeds the family and I'm not screwing that up for anybody.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4258805 Wed, 28 Aug 2002 05:47:42 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4258646 anon : WTF?! Kazaa is argrubly the best sharing prgm out right now. Before you know it its gonna be doing this to all our sharing prgms. All I know is that if ATT touches IRC, i'm dropping the service immediately.

-----Go Kings 2003 baby, all the way-------]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4258646 Wed, 28 Aug 2002 04:10:04 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4258541 anon : You should be careful who you call a "dick head", that person might be reading the forum that you directed them to.

I think that the conversation probably went closer to
"are you using kazaa to download copyrighted materials?"

"no it's uh train videos"

I'll bet you even asked to speak with a supervisor.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4258541 Wed, 28 Aug 2002 03:40:51 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4258499 TWENTY1 : *shakes head*]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4258499 Wed, 28 Aug 2002 03:25:27 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4257571 anon : I live in Sacramento and I am having the exact same problem. I download from kazaa and it wont go over 1k a sec, but downloads in IE go at 150k. So today I called their tech support and of course they have no idea what I’m talking about. Then the dick head ask me why I am using kazaa and starts accusing me of downloading copy written material. So I tell him it’s none of his business and that’s not good customer service.

I really find it odd that about 3 nights ago Kazaa halts to a crawl for me. Then I search the internet and it just happens that other people on my provider from my area are having the exact same problem. Yet ATT still denies everything.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4257571 Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:40:21 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4251610 heid95843 : On options do you have it marked no proxy just a firewall. And do you have the right address and port number 1080 for Kazaa?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4251610 Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:27:23 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4244966 Skarface32 : Okay, I finally got that information into my HOSTS file, and when http-tunnel connects it says the server got a PONG, so it is active. Also, it says my socks5 is active. However, the log continually brings up the error message "Unable to connect to server". I'm not sure what's going on, but I cannot connect to kazaa under the Socks5 settings...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4244966 Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:42:06 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4238099 casimir81 : Didn't some little kid in Canada get nailed for DOS attacks against Yahoo! ?? If the RIAA is DOS people would that also be illegal?? Just some questions to think about]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4238099 Mon, 26 Aug 2002 03:41:26 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4237878 kxrm : try doing a search for hosts on the Windows directory it might be in a subdirectory depending on which OS ver you have.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4237878 Mon, 26 Aug 2002 02:18:09 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4236309 Skarface32 : In C:/ windows, I cannot seem to open the HOSTS file. There is one file that is .sam, and one that cannot be opened. I opened it with Notepad, and it was blank. How do i edit this hosts file???]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4236309 Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:48:56 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4236171 docsdev$ : i hope all of u guys know that in most areas AT&T blocks port 1080 (socks) cause they dont want people using proxies and ip spoofing
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4236171 Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:35:22 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4236053 anon : We should all join up in sac and go to AT&T and talk to them in person or get the new involved or something]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4236053 Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:20:26 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4225625 anon : I read about the http-tunnel solution and the first time I installed it, I ran the test on the last tab of the configuration section. Was depressed to see 1.5 was max for the freeware version of http-tunnel - and sure enough, that's all I got when I tried Kazaa. HOWEVER, I just reinstalled it and did the minimum configuration to run Kazaa and DID NOT go and do a speed test within http-tunnel. Now I find I'm downloading on Kazaa at 20-50 kb/s! It is only speculation on my part, but it does make ya think!? Does that stupid little test just set something in the software? I have no idea, but I'm not going to even look at that test tab!

Hell, even 10Kb/s is better than 1 or 1.5! I'll take it, thank you! Sold American!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4225625 Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:15:50 EDT Re: you people are funny http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4215485 anon : sorry... im lame... wrong place... didnt see the end of the thread... only page 1

fcuck you guys]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4215485 Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:30:40 EDT you people are funny http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4215444 anon : wow....

how about this... they DO NOT have to launch a DoS attack against every IP that is using port 1214...

they only have to attack the GATEWAY/ROUTER (s)

those are easily locataed... and typicaly do not block any request... the ISP figures that each user is responsible for his/her own security measures....

(i cant spell)

Unfortunatly that is out of YOUR hands....

you are at the mercy of the ISP security team... (provided that THIS is realy the problem)

but realy folks as an end user... you have a difficult task of troubleshooting ahead of you....

(stick a web server/ftp server on that port and see if it is affected the same way)

who knows

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4215444 Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:25:30 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4199301 shorto85 : Man this sux... time to find some better file sharing programs...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4199301 Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:45:55 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4198582 JonIrenicas :

said by shred:
This is bullcrap,I pay for broadband and should be able to use it however I feel.

If the system can't handle the high upload fix it!

Go back to 128 cap till it can handle it,but dont just start capping certain programs and sites.

I'm using another file sharing prog right now up'ing near max so "f" att!

I totally agree and I hope this rout they have chosen in Sacramento stays in Sacramento and is just a temporary solution to cut bandwidth usage until they improve the network.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4198582 Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:32:25 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4198469 shred : This is bullshit,I pay for broadband and should be able to use it however I feel.

If the system can't handle the high upload fix it!

Go back to 128 cap till it can handle it,but dont just start capping certain programs and sites.

I'm using another file sharing prog right now up'ing near max so "f" att!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4198469 Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:19:43 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4198176 JonIrenicas :

said by AConcernedInternetCi:
Hello all,

I have confirmed that they are indeed throttling Kazaa at its standard port (in/out) in CA. I'm not going to get into how I feel about this, but the cap was indeed rolled out to prevent upstream congestion in CA. You may want to let the markets know how you feel about this.

Considering all the problems they are having in Sacramento that might actually have been a good idea. I'm not going to lose any sleep over a bunch of warez pirates not being able to get their fix through kazaa.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4198176 Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:49:19 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4197692 heid95843 : shorto85-e-mail me if you still need help. Need more info]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4197692 Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:02:03 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4197293 anon : Hello all,

I have confirmed that they are indeed throttling Kazaa at its standard port (in/out) in CA. I'm not going to get into how I feel about this, but the cap was indeed rolled out to prevent upstream congestion in CA. You may want to let the markets know how you feel about this.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4197293 Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:20:33 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4190640 shorto85 : I did all of that... and it still gives the same error

Could you show me an example of what your host file looks like?
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4190640 Wed, 21 Aug 2002 00:22:19 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4190245 heid95843 : It is different for every system. Go to Http_tunnel help page and it lists how to do it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4190245 Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:40:48 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4188560 shred : How did youy open the host file?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4188560 Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:19:16 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4186450 heid95843 : Skarface32- We've noticed that it will get faster at night but 40 is still better than 1kbps. I did download the kazaalite that they recommended. It only worked once I made sure my hosts file was exactly the same as in the help section.
shorto85- Make sure you do it exactly like it says in the help section. I had that problem until I deleted everything in the hosts file except what it says to have.
Good Luck!!!!!!!!!!And yes I pay 4.99 a month. Makes me mad but it will do until I either have dsl available or attbi gets their acts together.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4186450 Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:58:13 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4186308 shorto85 : I am getting this error

Cannot contact Server, it may be down. Please try after a while

However when I test the connection it is working fine so is AT&T blocking Http-Tunnel now?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4186308 Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:42:55 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4185846 shorto85 : Do you have to pay extra to get a faster dl speed?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4185846 Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:00:11 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4184109 Skarface32 : Did you download the version of kazaa-lite that http tunnel recommended? I did this late last night, and it seemed to be working somewhat well. I tested my DL on 1 mp3 and my speeds were in the 40kbps range... not the best, but not bad... i'll try a few more]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4184109 Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:05:41 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4183962 heid95843 : Skarface32,
In config settings, mark no proxy only firewall. Make sure you enter info into the hosts file on your computer just as the help page suggests. What system are you using?If you can, I would use system restore to set your computer back to before you started playing with it. Then you can identify what you shouldn't dump. I played around a bit with it before it worked but now it is doing great. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4183962 Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:51:31 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4176925 Skarface32 : Oh man am I in trouble! I went to http-tunnel and downloaded the software. I ran it, and followed the instructions. I tried doing it without downloading kazaa-lite and without removing the spyware, and my kazaa would not connect with the SOCKS5 settings I set up.

So, I followed the instructions for kazaa that the help setting in http-tunnel said, and i ran the adaware software. I mist have killed my winsock or TCP/IP because I can no longer connect to the internet. If anybody knows what to do in order to get my connection up and running again, I'd greatly appreciate your help.

Also, once I do get the connection back up, how can I fix this kazaa problem?? What do I enter into the config settings in http tunnel?? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4176925 Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:11:35 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4176677 shorto85 : So far still having this problem!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4176677 Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:45:56 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4173865 Skarface32 : Hey I am having the same problem in the chicago suburbs? Have all of you found a solution for this? I'm a bit confused on the http tunnel solution.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4173865 Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:00:44 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4109201 shorto85 : Could you please explain it more]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4109201 Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:37:32 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4107899 heid95843 : Got to http-tunnel.com. I think you go through their server and assign a SOCKS5 address for Kazaa to go through so all traffic goes through port 80. I have the newest version of Kazaa and on netstat it was always port 1214 that had time wait or fin wait on it. I am not very smart with computers so with my limited knowledge it just made sense that it was someone blocking up my port. Is it only At&t users that are having this problem?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4107899 Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:13:02 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4107816 Qumahlin : Yes, but it does not go into a time_wait status forever unless they have a machine set to keep hitting the ports...and frequently...then they would eventually be trying to DoS million of machines.

Also the newer versions of kazaa are not vulnerable to this because it will open as many ports as it needs to if 1214 is full. Fire up a netstat or port watcher, then download like 20 mp3's off kazaa, it will open ports like 1214, 1389, 1943,1945...and so on

so the DoSer would have to flood every port kazaa will use...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4107816 Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:03:13 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4106873 anon : heid95843,

Could you give us a little more detail on how you "set up a http tunnel" to fix the slowness. Is it done with proxy's somehow?

Thanks]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4106873 Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:25:42 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4105980 heid95843 : I think it is At&t. I set up a http tunnel last night and I now get download speeds up to 117kb. It took kazaa off of port 1214 and through a proxy server. It seems to be working fine. SOOOOO it probably is a At&t thing. On dial-up through SBC I was getting faster downloads than on AT&T Broadband. Now it's fixed though so hopefully I won't have to worry anymore until AT&T screws this up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4105980 Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:23:24 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4104758 FryGuy8 : it's not very hard to dos specific machines. For example, if the does a search of music, for example, he then gets a list of ip's that have that music. Then it's a very simple matter to send 1000 SYN/ACK packets to port 1214 on each one of those IP's. Since kazaa is listening on that port, it tries to accept the packets, and the port gets put into a TIME_WAIT state. Since kazaa is the program that is listening on this port, kazaa is the program that is being DoS'd. It fills up the connection queue of the bind'd port, and stops new connections. However, some of this may be incorrect. But yes, a program can be DoS'd. Denial of service does not have to be a bandwidth flood. For example if there was a buffer overflow bug in kazaa, it could be used to crash kazaa, which would be a denial of service because the service, kazaa, would be denied to people trying to use it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4104758 Mon, 12 Aug 2002 05:55:08 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4104568 shorto85 : I think we are getting screwed by AT&T somewhere in here and they just aren't saying anything yet!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4104568 Mon, 12 Aug 2002 04:10:10 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4104461 WytBoyHatcha : I just talked to my bro who is on Cox.net. He (and friends) is not experiencing any type of irregularity with Kazaa. Currently, it is faster for him to do my downloads, then transfer them to me via netmeeting haha ...ridiculous:)
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»www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/26357.html

Lovely.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4103907 Mon, 12 Aug 2002 01:08:47 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4103822 shorto85 : I don't know if it is possible to switch ports...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4103822 Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:55:03 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4101490 heid95843 : I have the same problem. How do I switch ports? I have done everything else that I can think of.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4101490 Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:50:37 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4100042 shorto85 : I have been experiencing the same problem... I download at 1k/sec but I upload to people around 5k/sec

Now something is screwy here!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4100042 Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:23:54 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4098727 Qumahlin : ok, you say you'll debate in an intelligent manner, then you call me a script kiddy (i'm not) you say I use aol (I don't)

First off..you CAN NOT DoS a program...a Denial of Service does not attack a program.

The only way you could DoS a peer 2 peer program was if they used a central server like napster did to control all searches and such, but since the fasttrack network uses multi nodes and updates it's list everytime you connect..or it will search out nodes based on the last ones you connected too...you cannot attack it directly like that unless they launched a DOS on the hardcoded list of supernodes which is stored in the kazaa.exe.

Or do you expect the RIAA to DoS attack every ip that has port 1214 open?

So don't go calling me names and making assumptions..i've worked as a network engineer for quite awhile now...and I've never heard of anyone trying to launch a Denial of Service attack against a specific program...a port is not a program. because it isn't possible to attack a program unless you use a virus (of which 2 for kazaa exist)

The flooding connection attack you described would be useless unless you just wanted to piss a friend off...because the DoS'er would have to DoS EVERY person serving that file..which is unlikely
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4098727 Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:08:31 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4098229 Chip : I will debate anything with anyone in an intelligent manner. I'm not going to succumb to your mindless script-kiddy flame-bait drivel. Why don't you fire up your AOL connection, and go trolling somewhere else. LOL
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How are they gonna mess with the software unless they send you a virus..it's not happening, and you can't DOS attack a specific program lol]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4098119 Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:36:22 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4097825 Return1 : Here's a test to try. Change the port Kazaa is using. Get a couple of your friends in the Sacramento area to change the port from 1214 to something else (see »www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers and pick something unused or private). If the transfer speeds get better then yes, ATTBI is throttling Kazaa network usage.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4097825 Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:49:22 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4094919 PcGamer : Its useless battle for the music companys to resist, if kazaa dies 10 more will spring up...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4094919 Sat, 10 Aug 2002 23:31:17 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4094836 Chip : Um qumahlin...

If you will re-read the thread, you will see that the explanation of a DOS attack on Kazaa, is in reference to attacking the software that is installed by the end-user, not the company(Kazaa.com) itself. :)
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A Denial of Service Attack would only effect searching and finding more sources.

if your downloading from me at say 100k a second..and someone launches the worlds largest dos attack against kazaa...you'll still be downloading from me at 100k a second because we are DIRECTLY connected hence that whole Peer 2 Peer thing :)

it's just like a DCC in IRC...if someone is DCC'ing you a file, and you get kicked off the server...your DCC continues as long as they don't cut you off or turn off their comp]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4092902 Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:36:10 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4091423 anon : I'm having the same exact problem here in Sacramento!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4091423 Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:41:42 EDT Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramen http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4091207 Chip :

said by ssj4_android:
I don't believe any DOS would be doing that. I'm remember that ATT is in an agreement to try to stop P2P.

You don't believe that the RIAA or any member of the music industry would do such a thing? Yet you choose to believe that ATT would?

"Create a DoS attack for Morpheus/Kazaa is quite simple. In fact, only the connections made from other users with the same application can be regulated and detected from the client. Anonymous connections (directly at 1214/tcp port) cannot be detected even by most personal firewalls such Zone Alarm, 'cause Morpheus/Kazaa needs to be in totally "Allowed zone" to open connections to outside sources. This "architecture" let's us flood this little web server with HTTP requests, in order to use all the available bandwidth and block Internet access on the target host. Each connection, in fact, will generate a socket in "TIME_WAIT" status on 1214/tcp port(visible with a simple NETSTAT command on the target host) that will cause the saturation of net resources."
So says "The Jackal" (edited a little for spelling)
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Hello! Welcome to the Online Customer Support Center for AT&T Broadband service. A message from a customer care specialist should appear in the chat window shortly. Your session ID # is ******.
George C has joined this session!
George C says, Thank you for contacting AT&T Broadband, my name is George. How can I help you?
You say, Is AT&T doing something to make Kazaa download slow?
George C says, I don't think so... I downloaded 10 gigs of porn last night and it seemed to go fast enough.
You say, Right. Is AT&T trying to block Kazaa?
George C says, nope! AT&T supports porn @ FULL SPEED!
You say, I see.
You say, so it must be a problem with Kazaa?
George C says, I'm downloading porn right now and it's working fine. Have you tried clearing out your temporary internet files?
You say, No I havn't, but i'll give it a shot thanks.
George C says, If that doesn't work, Unplug your modem and wait for about a minute, and then plug it back in.
George C says, your porn should download mighty quick after that.
You say, Right. Bye.
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By the way, the attbi rep I just chatted with said attbi ain't throttling.

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Hello! Welcome to the Online Customer Support Center for AT&T Broadband service. A message from a customer care specialist should appear in the chat window shortly. Your session ID # is 2244327.
Eric J has joined this session!
Eric J says, Thank you for contacting AT&T Broadband, my name is Eric. I can help you with your question.
You say, Is attbi throttling certain ports or IP's?
Eric J says, By throttling do you mean blocking entirely?
You say, Kazaa or grokster
Eric J says, I'm not sure what port grokster uses, but Kazaa works with our service. We however do not provide technical support on either of those program. What type of program is grokster? A peer to peer transfer program like Kazaa?
You say, in past week downloads or uploads all begin fast then steadily go to less then 1 kb each. Appears as if there is throttling of the ports these programs use. Grokster uses same fasttrack service as kazaa.
You say, Are you saying you are not aware that attbi is doing anything? So it must be a fasttrack problem?
Eric J says, No, we do not throttle the ports that those programs use. There is not an maximum upload limit, or anything that would cause your uploads to drop like that
You say, Ok, thanks. I will try to find out if there is a problem with their services.
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What's going on?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4084599 Fri, 09 Aug 2002 18:51:35 EDT Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4084524 anon : Last two days as all downloads start they appear to have fast speed but then immediately start going down until each is under 1 kb/s Uploads too.

Noticed on two different computers in two different locations, both hooked to attbi.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4084524 Fri, 09 Aug 2002 18:41:17 EDT