Re: Hit 'em where it Hurts = how to stop this nonsense in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r3315805 en Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:23:11 EDT Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:23:11 EDT Re: Don't just boycott CDs http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3409990 Subaru : Nah still wont work.. back when I took apart my AST computer it had a Cd-rom drive made by Tosian or something.. Had a Sony Chip on the PCB..
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do i detect a pointy haired manager somewhere in our midst?

nah! :) i just want to leverage our existing infrastructure, so that we might globalize our community-oriented assets and maximize the potential for cross-developmental utilization of the corporate paradigm.... ;)

Peace
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Last week I went down to wallmart and bought a cheapy, made in China, Venturer DVD player with Dolby 5.1 surround system ($210 for the whole rig). The first thing I did, before even playing a test DVD is disable Macrovision and Region protection through a hidden menu. (Can't do that on a Sony product). I've made tapes of the Disney DVDs for the kids to watch/pull the tape out of while the "Master" DVD copy sits in the media cabinet above their reach.

Everybody's happy - except Sony which won't get another $ from me.

Now the only problem is the silver DVD player in a rack of black hardware.....Hmmmm, maybe spray paint. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3344459 Mon, 20 May 2002 14:24:00 EDT Don't just boycott CDs http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3336645 g0nepostal : Boycott all Sony products! Don't buy any more Sony audio/video equipment, any more Sony music, any more Columbia Pictures DVD movies (they are a unit of Sony), or any more PlayStation units.

I haven't bought a CD in years, and now I am making sure to not buy any more DVDs from Columbia. I talked my brother into buying an XBox instead of a PlayStation 2 just to deny Sony more money.

Granted, the XBox is from the Evil Empire, but Halo kicks ass. :)

If more people decide to not bother to buy anything made by Sony - not just their CDs - then the impact will really be felt back in Japan.

g0nepostal]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3336645 Sun, 19 May 2002 15:49:01 EDT Re: Hit 'em where it Hurts = how to stop this nons http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3325599 vampyre10 : HAHAHAH LOL
ROFL
LMFAO

That's funny as hell.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3325599 Sat, 18 May 2002 10:09:09 EDT Re: Hit 'em where it Hurts = how to stop this nonsense http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3324917 anon : Boycott it....download it and pass it on, buy extra CD-R's and give everyone you know a copy! :) People with a copy don't buy a copy!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3324917 Sat, 18 May 2002 05:46:18 EDT Re: Hit 'em where it Hurts = how to stop this nons http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3323733 WallyThacker : When Sony gets their way....

They'll sell blank Cds labelled "Not for any use" and still want $20.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3323733 Sat, 18 May 2002 00:28:10 EDT Re: Hit 'em where it Hurts = how to stop this nons http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3316626 amoiseyev :
said by TheWickerMan:

Hey, why not? It would sound a lot better than most of the crap they've been putting out lately.

Let's add that the last fact is the real reason why music sales go down....
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said by methuselah1879:
.ohhhh, how about a "white noise" CD? It's a whole new era! ;)


Hey, why not? It would sound a lot better than most of the crap they've been putting out lately.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3316592 Fri, 17 May 2002 09:45:39 EDT Re: Hit 'em where it Hurts = how to stop this nons http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3316414 amoiseyev :
said by djrobx:

...it reduces their numbers. By reducing the numbers, they can complain that piracy has slowed CD sales thus justifying the protection.


Well, they obviously have numbers for each title. I meant that sales of protected CDs will be noticeable less than sales of similar unprotected CDs, so company will realize that they steal from their own pocket.

said by djrobx:

In most stores you can't return opened software/audio, you can only exchange a defective disc.

That's true for "normal" CDs. If these protected pieces of ... do not play on some CONVENTIONAL players the number of exchanges will be so big that most of the stores executives will refund them rather than exchange them several times, to avoid extra losses. There is a big difference between one isolated corrupted copy and whole "corrupted title".
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I guess the next solution is to make it so you can't "hear" the music either. Why would you want to do that anyway?


Absolutely! As a matter of fact, why don't we (record execs) make all music so that it falls in the 40 - 100 kHz band! Then, we can still sell CDs marketed as "avant-garde", since no-one will be able to hear them...ohhhh, how about a "white noise" CD? It's a whole new era! ;)

Peace
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If it's na' scottish...it's CRAP!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3316266 Fri, 17 May 2002 08:31:00 EDT Re: Hit 'em where it Hurts = how to stop this nonsense http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3316152 jcnnghm : Any audio that can be played can be duped into digital form and distributed online. There just isn't a way around it. If worst came to worst, someone would just use an analog to digital converter and rip it into mp3. I guess the next solution is to make it so you can't "hear" the music either. Why would you want to do that anyway?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3316152 Fri, 17 May 2002 07:56:13 EDT Re: Hit 'em where it Hurts = how to stop this nonsense http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3315805 djrobx : *Sigh*
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I think with all these 5 Sony will have to admit than sales of these protected CDs are noticeable less than they would be without protection.
The problem is that if we try and "strike back" by boycotting CDs, it reduces their numbers. By reducing the numbers, they can complain that piracy has slowed CD sales thus justifying the protection.
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Some "advanced users" will buy the CD, make a copy for emselves and for sharing and return "corrupted cd" back to the store and get full refund"
In most stores you can't return opened software/audio, you can only exchange a defective disc. You could keep exchanging it and demand a refund when the nth replacement doesn't work, but that's a lot of effort to go through to prove a point and probably won't be done on a widespread enough basis to make a blip on the record label's radar.

Instead of buying CDs, check out XM radio or your digital cable's / satellite's music channels.

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said by careywb:
The way to stop this is to boycott new CD purchases. Just a few months of living without, and, bada bada, bing...end of copy protection.
I have found these so called copy-proof CD`s on Kazza and other file sharing networks and downloaded them!This just proves that the RIAA is losing the battle.All these copy protection schemes can be cracked,so to Hell with the RIAA!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3309699 Thu, 16 May 2002 15:25:32 EDT Re: Would It Really Do Any Good??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3308881 anon : I am doing my part. I don't buy CDs at all after the Napster court case. If the RIAA wants to play hard ball, and not give any options to use the music you paid for in any other media, the RIAA can fight the court case with out MY music money. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3308881 Thu, 16 May 2002 13:41:12 EDT Re: Hit 'em where it Hurts = how to stop this nonsense http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3308504 hightdan : I found this on www.sony.com
I think I will buy the CD and just start calling.
I don't own a CD player. Only have computers.

from www.sony.com
If you believe a Sony Music product has a manufacturing defect, please call our Quality Management Department at 800-255-7514 (609-722-8224 in New Jersey).
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said by cprgolds:
small fraction of the buyers and SONY would probably never feel the impact.

I think that Sony will see the impact of their own actions: "protected CDs" will cause decrease in sales ( and increase in piracy ) for the few obvious reasons:

1. Computer users will not buy "protected CDs" because they are useless for them;

2. Some (small amount, but few) people will just boycott these CDs;

3. Some "advanced users" will buy the CD, make a copy for themselves and for sharing and return "corrupted cd" back to the store and get full refund;

4. Real pirates (who made unlicensed copies by thousands in Bulgaria and China) will get a virtually "competition-free" market, where nobody legally offer "real CD" with the same content;

5. A lot of customers who care about their money more than about copyright laws will prefer to buy pirated CD, copy it or download the music instead of buying perfectly legal disk that will not play in the car audio or portable cd-player.

I think with all these 5 Sony will have to admit than sales of these protected CDs are noticeable less than they would be without protection.
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Anything that can go wrong will go wrong. - Murphy's law]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3307400 Thu, 16 May 2002 09:50:28 EDT Re: Would It Really Do Any Good??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3307356 careywb : I hear ya....but, more and more people are running CDs in their computer these days. If dissatisfaction grows large enough, there could be an impact. I, personnaly, wouldn't rule this out...small waves CAN sometime turn into large swells.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3307356 Thu, 16 May 2002 09:40:28 EDT Would It Really Do Any Good??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3307322 cprgolds : I agree with careywb in theory. But in all practicality, the people who would boycott CD purchases (or even know enough to boycott them) are a small fraction of the buyers and SONY would probably never feel the impact.

Having said that, I personally will not knowingly buy CD's with this copy protection just like I won't buy things from companies that litter my internet sessions with popups and popunders!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3307322 Thu, 16 May 2002 09:33:40 EDT Hit 'em where it Hurts = how to stop this nonsense http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3307254 careywb : The way to stop this is to boycott new CD purchases. Just a few months of living without, and, bada bada, bing...end of copy protection.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3307254 Thu, 16 May 2002 09:19:10 EDT