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 BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | said by badboy54166:What if buying from the legit sources leads you to spending money on a product you have no absolute control of whether or not it will work or not...
stealing from whom when the customer is unable to enjoy the products they legally and legitimately paid for? So that gives you the right to take it without paying for it? |
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CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picturePremium
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| said by BF69:So that gives you the right to take it without paying for it?
That is where the problem with your position lies... NOTHING is being taken. |
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Camden, TN | said by CXM_Splicer:said by BF69:So that gives you the right to take it without paying for it?
That is where the problem with your position lies... NOTHING is being taken. OK what give you a right to VIEW the content if you're not willing to pay for it? I pay to view it, but you get to do it for free just because you feel like it? |
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CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picturePremium
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OK what give you a right to VIEW the content if you're not willing to pay for it? I pay to view it, but you get to do it for free just because you feel like it?
As I said to Morac, I can go to a friend's house and view the content without paying for it... HE paid for it but I didn't; why is THAT not stealing? |
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BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | said by CXM_Splicer: As I said to Morac, I can go to a friend's house and view the content without paying for it... HE paid for it but I didn't; why is THAT not stealing? A) You're friend paid for the content
B) watching at a friend's who that gave you permission to do so is 100% different than sneaking into a theater without permission and I think you know that. |
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kxrm
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Fort Worth, TX | But My friend on the internet gave me this copy, he paid for it. So it's cool now right? |
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said by BF69:A) You're friend paid for the content
B) watching at a friend's who that gave you permission to do so is 100% different than sneaking into a theater without permission and I think you know that.
Your post that I replied to specified that you were talking about ME VIEWING THE CONTENT WITHOUT PAYING. You seem to be implying that it is the content which is 'stolen'. As I have just pointed out, this is not the case. Looking deeper into your post it is clear that, by me downloading content for free, you feel slighted since you paid for it. That feeling is what is driving your argument... not logic. You now have to backtrack and say that as long as my friend paid for it, it is ok. The problem with that logic is that as long as my friend paid for it, then I should be able to copy it too since we both agree that I am entitled to view the content. The 'loss' to the content owner is EXACTLY the same.
Consider the following:
- I go to my friend's house and we watch one of his DVD's together
- I borrow his DVD and watch it at my house
- I go to his house and he gives me a copy of the DVD to take home
- He makes a torrent of the movie and I download it from my house
In each of those scenarios, the end result is the same; I watched the movie without paying for it. In each of those scenarios, my friend had a legally purchased DVD and gave me permission to watch it. In two of those scenarios, I did nothing wrong... in the other two, I have somehow 'stolen' something. In all the situations, the loss is the same.
If you have some other concept of what is being 'stolen" I would be happy to go down that road too. I don't have a problem with colloquialism; Casanova was a thief of hearts, people steal words out of my mouth, I even took a girl's virginity once (although strangely, I didn't become a virgin once I had it). But none of these acts makes one a criminal. |
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vukota
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Wheeling, IL | reply to BF69
said by BF69:said by CXM_Splicer: As I said to Morac, I can go to a friend's house and view the content without paying for it... HE paid for it but I didn't; why is THAT not stealing? A) You're friend paid for the content B) watching at a friend's who that gave you permission to do so is 100% different than sneaking into a theater without permission and I think you know that. So to make analogy, according to your view
A) Friend paid for the content
B) Friend gave me permission to watch a movie from his computer using remote desktop or similar application (so I don't have to go to his house)
IS perfectly legal? 
Or another scenario, Friend paid for a Netflix and he is willing to share his account info with me, is perfectly legal too?
Or friend purchased (or rented) a DVD, watched a movie and now borrowed it to me so I can watch it too?
Or friend purchased a DVD, watched a movie and now would like to sell it to me (for less than what he paid for), that should be legal too?
Well RIAA doesn't think so. |
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said by CXM_Splicer:Consider the following:
- I go to my friend's house and we watch one of his DVD's together
- I borrow his DVD and watch it at my house
- I go to his house and he gives me a copy of the DVD to take home
- He makes a torrent of the movie and I download it from my house
In each of those scenarios, the end result is the same; I watched the movie without paying for it. In each of those scenarios, my friend had a legally purchased DVD and gave me permission to watch it. In two of those scenarios, I did nothing wrong... in the other two, I have somehow 'stolen' something. In all the situations, the loss is the same.
Of course it's not "theft" or "stealing". But it is copyright infringment, which is illegal. If you think distribution of copyrighted material is OK, well that's fine, but it's still illegal.
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