 BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | Devil's advocate If let someone sell drugs out of my house even though I'm not selling the drugs I can still be in trouble. |
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If you are the landlord and your tenant is selling drugs you get in trouble?
If your roommate in your apartment is selling drugs you get in trouble?
If your neighbor comes over and uses your internet connection to stalk or harass you get in trouble? (civil vs criminal)
Um nope. Not unless you are a willing accomplice, which just being the owner of the home does not show. |
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CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picturePremium
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If someone gets caught selling drugs in Macy's, does that make the CEO of Federated Dept Stores a drug dealer? |
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BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | reply to delusion ftl
said by delusion ftl :For selling drugs?
If you are the landlord and your tenant is selling drugs you get in trouble? If you know and you just don't give a shit. yes.
If your roommate in your apartment is selling drugs you get in trouble?
If your neighbor comes over and uses your internet connection to stalk or harass you get in trouble? (civil vs criminal)
Um nope. Not unless you are a willing accomplice, which just being the owner of the home does not show. |
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BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | reply to CXM_Splicer
said by CXM_Splicer:If someone gets caught selling drugs in Macy's, does that make the CEO of Federated Dept Stores a drug dealer?
Really? more hyperbole please. So a CEO hundreds if not 1000s miles away = homeowner unaware of what other people in his home does? |
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CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picturePremium
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| Well, hyperbole gets hyperbole... do you really equate letting someone use your Internet connection to selling drugs? If you are already so biased, how can anyone have a legitimate conversation with you?
I assume since you had a problem with the distance from the crime then the store manager for that particular Macy's must be a drug dealer? |
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said by BF69:said by CXM_Splicer:If someone gets caught selling drugs in Macy's, does that make the CEO of Federated Dept Stores a drug dealer?
Really? more hyperbole please. So a CEO hundreds if not 1000s miles away = homeowner unaware of what other people in his home does? So, any time someone uses a pay phone to commit a crime like extortion or bomb threats, the CEO of the company which owns the communication pathway and makes it available to anyone, for a profit, should be arrested as an accomplice? He KNOWS that pay phones are used to commit many crimes, yet because he wishes to make a profit he still makes them anonymously available. Same logic the porn copyright trolls are using.
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I wish it was that easy. The problem is getting the cops to give a shit and do something. |
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said by BF69:Well in MY home I'm in charge so yeah I make sure nothing goes on. If something does then someone's day is going to be fucking bad. I guess in today's society being lazy is an excuse. "Oh you can't sue me I had no idea my teen-age son was illegally downloading gigabytes of porn every day. How could I have possibly known that?"
You're totally forgetting that your IP may be faked by someone. You have no control over that.
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You need to face it, at this point your argument is garbage. If my grandmother has her router security set to WEP, and her neighbor easily cracks the password then uses her internet for piracy, is she really a criminal?
If my same grandmother who knows nothing about technology leaves her router's wireless wide open, then her neighbor uses her wireless to download music. Is she really a criminal?
According to what you've stated, she is practically dealing meth from her living room. Come on, do you proof-read the things you type?
In this particular situation she isn't *allowing* anybody to use her router. They just are. No different than if you were on vacation and a drug dealer broke into your house and sold drugs out of your living room. |
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If someone is selling drugs out of your house, there is reason for suspicion. You're there to see what's going on. Most likely you also know what's going on.
There are numerous legitimate reasons why someone would need to borrow your internet connection. Their connection could be down, they might not be able to afford it due to economic reasons, someone not from the area trying to look up a map, etc. Most of said reasons are legit in the eyes of the law (but not necessarily your ISP).
If someone asks to borrow your phone to make a quick call, you don't assume that they're communicating threats or sending inappropriate material to a minor. You assume it's important and try to help a fellow citizen out. The same can be said for someone in need for borrowing your internet access. What if it's not wireless a neighbor needs to borrow your computer to look something up? Do you just kick them out due to liability concerns or spy over their shoulder? Good Samaritan laws should definitely apply.
All WiFi hotspot businesses should come to the defense of this person. If a business can be held liable for content viewed/downloaded, we'll most likely see all WiFi hotspot locations go away. Goodbye Starbucks. I will miss you. |
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 NormanSPremium,MVM
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said by BF69:If let someone sell drugs out of my house even though I'm not selling the drugs I can still be in trouble.
If you specifically, and knowingly allow: Probably.
If someone is doing it out of your sight and knowledge? Investigated, yes, to determine if you are complicit (actively, or passively). But, absent evidence of complicancy, no trouble at all.
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He won't answer that question. It blows a hole big enough for a train to pass through in his nobody will get accused unless they are guilty attitude.
I can fake UDP packets right now on my Backtrack distro. |
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said by CXM_Splicer:Well, hyperbole gets hyperbole... do you really equate letting someone use your Internet connection to selling drugs? If you are already so biased, how can anyone have a legitimate conversation with you?
I assume since you had a problem with the distance from the crime then the store manager for that particular Macy's must be a drug dealer?
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Spot on.
I guess he believes in guilt by proximity ( LOL ) |
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| said by DataRiker:I guess he believes in guilt by proximity ( LOL )
No, Guilt by accusation by a Supreme Being (a Corporation). If your IP was spoofed you could be 1000 miles away and STILL be guilty in his mind.
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BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | reply to CXM_Splicer
Re: Devil's advocate said by CXM_Splicer:Well, hyperbole gets hyperbole... do you really equate letting someone use your Internet connection to selling drugs? If you are already so biased, how can anyone have a legitimate conversation with you? How can I be biased when I've clearly stated I think 6 strikes and laws like it are completely stupid and utterly useless and pointless.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil's_advocate
In common parlance, a devil's advocate is someone who, given a certain argument, takes a position he or she does not necessarily agree with, for the sake of argument. In taking such position, the individual taking on the devil's advocate role seeks to engage others in an argumentative discussion process. The purpose of such process is typically to test the quality of the original argument and identify weaknesses in its structure, and to use such information to either improve or abandon the original, opposing position. It can also refer to someone who takes a stance that is seen as unpopular or unconventional, but is actually another way of arguing a much more conventional stance. |
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BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | reply to aciddrink
said by aciddrink:You need to face it, at this point your argument is garbage. If my grandmother has her router security set to WEP, and her neighbor easily cracks the password then uses her internet for piracy, is she really a criminal? WEP might as well use nothing. Anyways who said anything about criminal? If you are being taken into court over copyright infringement that's CIVIL case. Perhaps you should brush up on your civics before posting. |
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BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | reply to NormanS
said by NormanS:said by BF69:If let someone sell drugs out of my house even though I'm not selling the drugs I can still be in trouble.
If you specifically, and knowingly allow: Probably. If someone is doing it out of your sight and knowledge? Investigated, yes, to determine if you are complicit (actively, or passively). But, absent evidence of complicancy, no trouble at all. basically what I said. Thanks for agreeing. Unlike the others too caught up in hate to see anything logical. |
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Holy hyperbole Batman! |
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