 RobIn Deo speramus.Premium
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kudos:3 | One Phone, Multiple Networks Wasn't there a time where the carriers were touting this idea that, once their networks were in sync, consumers would have the option of taking their device to any carrier they wanted?
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 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | Too bad this isn't true for CDMA-based providers. It'd be nice if you could simply enter the ESN for any CDMA phone into your provider's website and BAM... service.
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 mech1164I'll Be Back
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Lodi, NJ | said by pnh102:Too bad this isn't true for CDMA-based providers. It'd be nice if you could simply enter the ESN for any CDMA phone into your provider's website and BAM... service.
That's what consumers want not what carriers want. The Carriers want only two things. More of your Money and CONTROL. By controlling the handsets and access they can force you to pay more money than it's worth for services you want. One day we might get it right as of now don't hold you breath. |
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Wouldn't that be nice.
On the plus side, at least verizon iPhone 5 seem to work on AT&T HSPA+ network. And possibly work on Tmobiles network also. |
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Maybe the smaller carriers or elsewhere in the world, but no legitimate carrier here in the US would be want that. Or consumers for that matter as that would destroy carrier's phone subsidies. |
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 camaro92Question everythingPremium
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How about instead of running around spending money to bend over backwards for Apple just to get a buggy phone, I want more coverage, a hell of a lot more coverage. When I drive to Timbuktu I want full bars no question's asked.
If it wasn't for the cheapest plans of all carriers I would have jumped ship, but I like my freedom of a GSM network. Plus for people who travel abroad there isn't much CDMA coverage if at all.
Anyone who wants to read about the world carriers and there customer base here it is, scroll down and see where T mobile is ranked it's pretty funny.
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That's interesting because Repubs always talk about the market forces. Yet whenever you indicate failure after failure within the market of this flawed creed, I hear crickets.
It's not because CDMA carriers couldn't allow it, rather, it's much easier for them to block it and lock you into their network. It's no coincidence that this is not a problem elsewhere (like Europe), where the 'government' (aka We the People) have mandated open and compatible handsets and networks.
Our way is another reason why Verizon can now charge $40 for 300mb and get away with it too. |
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RobIn Deo speramus.Premium
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Kendall, FL
kudos:3 | reply to camaro92
You'll probably disagree with me, but I firmly believe that, because of Apple, AT&T, VZW, and soon, Sprint, have been upgrading their network to support the iPhone.
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 IllIlIlllIllEliteDataPremium
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kudos:7 | reply to Rob
said by Rob:Wasn't there a time where the carriers were touting this idea that, once their networks were in sync, consumers would have the option of taking their device to any carrier they wanted?
that was a long time ago when there wasnt that many networks around, the biggest one at that time was at&t.
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to Telco
said by Telco:That's interesting because Repubs always talk about the market forces. Yet whenever you indicate failure after failure within the market of this flawed creed, I hear crickets.
Yawn. We get it. Everything is the Republicans' fault even when they aren't in power. Amazing how they can pull that off.
said by Telco:It's not because CDMA carriers couldn't allow it, rather, it's much easier for them to block it and lock you into their network. It's no coincidence that this is not a problem elsewhere (like Europe) That's interesting because Democrats always talk about how great everything in Europe is. Yet whenever you indicate failure after failure in Europe's own economic and debt problems of their flawed approach, I hear crickets.
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Carrier subsidies need to go, these subsidies are really a myth, they don't foot the bil, you do in the form of higher monthly bills, that they continue to charge you for even after the subsidy is covered.
Look at the $20 a month saving you get if you buy your own phone on t-mobile, or the prepaid byod sim plans and you'll quickly realize that those phone subsidies are actually not in the customer's best interest, maybe one day Sprint will follow t-mobile plans. |
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 KommiePremium
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Stop listening to Fox News. Scandinavia, Germany, and even Poland are doing very well. Greece is whats talked about, but there are other countries in Europe that are not having any economic failures. |
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said by pnh102:Too bad this isn't true for CDMA-based providers. It'd be nice if you could simply enter the ESN for any CDMA phone into your provider's website and BAM... service.
you actually can in ,ost cases if you are willing to do a bit of 'flashing' to get the setting right.
while sprint does not allow flashed phones. verizon, cricket and metro always have. so while it is extremely rare for people to put spirnt phones on verizon it is entirely possible. flashing is common on cricket and metropcs. |
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camaro92Question everythingPremium
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No I wont disagree you have a good point, but if they do start upgrading we all know where its going to be. I would guess to say Boston, New York City, L.A. to name a few.
I just don't want to live in a big city or around one to get top notch coverage, I like going outside and cant see any of my neighbors,and I don't want a SAT. phone just to make a phone call. |
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said by Telco:That's interesting because Repubs always talk about the market forces. Yet whenever you indicate failure after failure within the market of this flawed creed, I hear crickets. That's because some (many? most?) conservatives take it too far, just as some (many? most?) liberals take it too far the other way.
It is possible to have free and open markets, where market forces compete, and have the public not getting screwed. It's also possible to have reasonable government oversight and regulation and have businesses not getting screwed.
For example: If you own the device, all compatible carriers must accept it. If a carrier subsidizes a phone, they are allowed to lock it to their network, but they must unlock it once the subsidization is satisfied. Carriers may not charge for subsidizing a phone when they're not, in fact, subsidizing a phone.
said by pnh102:That's interesting because Democrats always talk about how great everything in Europe is. Yet whenever you indicate failure after failure in Europe's own economic and debt problems of their flawed approach, I hear crickets.
Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal are not "all of Europe." You might just as well blame the entire U.S. for California's failings.
The truth is we have some of the most expensive, least bang-for-your-buck subscription TV, broadband and wireless services in the world. I don't care how you slice it, that's just wrong.
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I have a number of Belgian friends (10) that just got laid off in last few weeks.... Manufacturing production / orders are down at their facility and other Euro facilities for this large US company. |
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Carriers are always going to upgrade the areas that give them the biggest return on their investment first, ie Cites and other heavily populated areas and really they wouldn't be a very good business if they didn't.
As long as corporations run our wireless and wireline infrastructure, if you choose to live in very rural areas where you can't even see a neighbor, your going to be the last the get upgrades.
Like everything else it's a trade-off of where you choose to live, congestion and everything right at your fingertips when you live in a populated area like I do, NJ or open spaces and driving half an hour to the supermarket (not saying you do, but my parents lived in a place like you describe and it was a half hour drive to the supermarket) |
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That is not true for any provider today, CDMA or GSM. The base frequencies are uniform(2G, mainly voice), but data (3G, LTE) frequencies are all over the map so if the phone doesn't support that band, then your $600 smartphone is a flip phone.
Outside of carriers locking phones, they create phones that don't work on others spectrum.
The big issue for Tmo is that their HSPA+ is very fast, except it has poor coverage and only their phones support these modes.
None of the iphones (CDMA/GSM - the CDMA do GSM) use data on 3G for TMO, it's all edge (2G), so dialup.
The iphone 5 now uses LTE in addition to the others, except Tmo current bands are still left out. So unless they have 1900Mhz (and I think Vegas just got on line) you are still on dialup. The metropcs dumping will help because they have CDMA frequencies and the all important NorthEast bandwidth that was lacking.
This is years down the road, so why would you want to put a $700 device in dialup mode when there are lots of prepaid options where it works in LTE mode? Or you could just pay the postpaid bounty. |
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camaro92Question everythingPremium
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Westfield, MA | reply to MovieLover76
Agree, But it still makes me feel better to complain.  |
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This thread is doing a terrific job of confirming my decision to take a pass on "smart"phones 
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