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Re: Steve Jobs dead 1 yr said by pnh102: Yes, the working conditions are not ideal. But the low cost of labor has also made electronics more accessible to more people in the West. Not ideal?...what a heart you have. Would you have your child work there? And just like the prevailing attitude in the west, they're keeping the wages low under the guise of "you're lucky to have a job" and keeping all of the profits at the top. And that same low cost of labor mentality has poliferated board rooms across America sending millions of middle class jobs overseas from here in the good ole U.S.A further depleting our tax base and sending people here into the abyss of poverty. Everything any one needs to know about you is in your writing. Justifying criminal working conditions so kids can fight in school about what SuzieQ said on Facebook is pretty freakin sad. You should think of the term "consequence" when applying this mentality!
And by the way... Weren't you one of the ones crying for people to save rather than have an entity give away a subsidy?
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Mount Airy, MD | said by S_engineer: Not ideal?...what a heart you have.
If you don't like the way electronics companies do business, then don't buy from them. Or perhaps you can support political candidates who would change the laws in the US so that manufacturing here, under more ideal conditions, becomes financially possible.
I'll assert that Apple is the least worst of the offenders because they are under a lot more scrutiny than anyone else.
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Troy, NY | Why is it not "financially possible" right now? Because we have laws regarding minimum wage, overtime, child labor, pollution?
I'm sure we could out-compete the Chinese if we threw all that out the window. But do we want to?
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Mount Airy, MD | said by Rogue Wolf:Why is it not "financially possible" right now? Because we have laws regarding minimum wage, overtime, child labor, pollution?
I'm sure we could out-compete the Chinese if we threw all that out the window. But do we want to? Then you have to accept that these problems are now exported to China.
There's also another big problem here... college education. We simply do not graduate enough Science, Technology, Engineering and Math (STEM) majors to effectively compete. Sure there are tons of college-educated people, but they are in majors which do not prepare them for this kind of work. On the other hand, China literally poops out truckloads of these people.
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| said by pnh102:said by Rogue Wolf:Why is it not "financially possible" right now? Because we have laws regarding minimum wage, overtime, child labor, pollution?
I'm sure we could out-compete the Chinese if we threw all that out the window. But do we want to? Then you have to accept that these problems are now exported to China. There's also another big problem here... college education. We simply do not graduate enough Science, Technology, Engineering and Math (STEM) majors to effectively compete. Sure there are tons of college-educated people, but they are in majors which do not prepare them for this kind of work. On the other hand, China literally poops out truckloads of these people. Because the Asians are smarter than us in general, especially when it comes to the sciences (the stereotype is absolutely true).
Americans have never been good at math or science. Most of the real science done here in the 20th century was done by Nazi refugees. Indeed most all of the important breakthroughs in physics during the 19th and 20th centuries was either done in Europe or by Europeans who immigrated to America later. (Indeed, the only reason America got the bomb was because of Jewish physicists fleeing the Nazis).
During the early 20th century America was completely ignored in the sciences -- all the best were in Europe. There were very few "native" Americans who had any influence at all, especially in physics. If you were to walk into a Princeton or Harvard science building during the 40's or 50's you would hear nothing but German accents.
And most of the good science being done here today is done by immigrants not born here. I don't have exact statistics, but I think around 40% of all math and science graduate students in American universities are foreign born.
So the only way America will ever stay competitive at science is to ask more Indians and Asians to immigrate here.
This is not to say "native" American students are too stupid for STEM courses, but they don't have much incentive. Most college students have dollar signs on their mind and the rigor of getting advanced degrees is not worth the economic pay-off. You can do well financially with a 4 year STEM degree, thus going for 4 extra years is not worth it to most people.
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3 edits | Hog Wash... What a racist comment.
Cultural influence and aptitude are completely different things and we have plenty of "Asians" who are American in America too. 
The thing is that our culture isn't putting enough emphasis on STEM topics. We'd rather watch football, basketball, et cetera. So people think those things are cool and important and not science and math. |
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said by pnh102:said by Rogue Wolf:Why is it not "financially possible" right now? Because we have laws regarding minimum wage, overtime, child labor, pollution?
I'm sure we could out-compete the Chinese if we threw all that out the window. But do we want to? There's also another big problem here... college education. We simply do not graduate enough Science, Technology, Engineering and Math (STEM) majors to effectively compete. Why would anyone take out the type of loans for the aforementioned major when corporations are being "financially responsible" and either paying low wages with little benefits, or exporting these jobs in the first place?....second, we can effectively compete and crush any foreign competition....the problem is it just might cut those profit margins for the next quarter....and we can't have that now can we!
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So, basically having a piece of paper gives us knowledge. False.
I would gladly give you plenty of counterexamples as to American mathematicians who have made an impact in mathematics (which is the foundation for many, many subjects including science).
And, for the record, we have the right to consider whether getting a worthless piece of paper is worth going into the hole. It's the only way to get a job in this economy, regardless of what people say about having a "marketable" skill. In my own personal experience, no place would ever give me an interview because I didn't have that damn piece of paper, even though I have plenty of marketable skills.
So, damned if I go to college, and damned if I don't go to college, one way or another it sounds like Americans JUST don't measure up. I would actually heed your opinion, except most of your opinion is nothing but conjecturing. Provide some sources, citations, some claims to back up your argument, and your conjecture would be valid.
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said by S_engineer: Why would anyone take out the type of loans for the aforementioned major when corporations are being "financially responsible" and either paying low wages with little benefits, or exporting these jobs in the first place?....second, we can effectively compete and crush any foreign competition....the problem is it just might cut those profit margins for the next quarter....and we can't have that now can we! It depends on your major... if you get a B.S. in Psychology, liberal arts, English, womyn's studies, etc. then yes you most likely relegate yourself to low-wage work. But majors in various kinds of engineering can do better.
As for effectively competing, we can't. If we could, then we'd see more manufacturing here than abroad.
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Some of the best scientists in history came from America.
Asians have a higher average IQ, but all of the most intelligent people with the highest IQs are white.
And as for your full of crap response about the manhattan project?
»www.nndb.com/group/738/000055573/
46 americans
6 germans
5 austrians
3 italians
3 guys from hungary (1 other from austria-hungary, included as an austrian)
2 english
2 guys from denmark
2 from poland
2 candians
1 guy from russia
1 from the netherlands
1 guy from new zealand
1 JEWISH
And from the American side, most were physicists.
This is a list of all of the people involved with the manhattan project, either spying, giving advice, political, etc.
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The acronym you should give anyone going to college is STEM -- Science, Technology, Engineering, Math. ESPECIALLY if you are a woman or a minority. Your expensive college education will pay off.
The only reason to go history, English, women's studies, etc., unless you want to be student loan burdened and be lucky to land a $40K job, is if you intend to go for an advanced degree and teach, or to go for an MBA or law degree. Or unless you have your way paved for you in a family business.
It is certainly possible to move ahead and make decent coin with a liberal arts degree, but it will be because you start at your $40K entry level job and work hard and get ahead, not because you are using your college degree.
There are some majors that are tweeners... e.g communications, politics, social sciences. The job market for these is significantly lower in pay but you can make a living. |
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| said by MyDogHsFleas:The acronym you should give anyone going to college is STEM -- Science, Technology, Engineering, Math. ESPECIALLY if you are a woman or a minority. Your expensive college education will pay off.
The problem with STEM is that, like liberal arts, anyone who is really looking for their education to 'pay off' is going to get an education in business/finance. To me, it is sad that what would have been great, innovative minds were (and still are) wasted on creating derivatives. There is no incentive to go into STEM and the country is quickly losing prestige (among other things) because of it. |
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said by CXM_Splicer:said by MyDogHsFleas:The acronym you should give anyone going to college is STEM -- Science, Technology, Engineering, Math. ESPECIALLY if you are a woman or a minority. Your expensive college education will pay off.
The problem with STEM is that, like liberal arts, anyone who is really looking for their education to 'pay off' is going to get an education in business/finance. To me, it is sad that what would have been great, innovative minds were (and still are) wasted on creating derivatives. There is no incentive to go into STEM and the country is quickly losing prestige (among other things) because of it. Business/finance major is more of a gamble than STEM. With STEM you pretty much have a guaranteed job and pretty good income for life unless you are a complete jackass and piss off your employers so much you become a toxic employee. With business/finance you have more work to do to establish yourself, and there's a lot more competition. You pretty much start at the low end of a financial organization and have to prove yourself by delivering clients and revenue to the company. I know lots of GenX age people who have the business/finance degree and are struggling. Yes, if you become a rainmaker or rocket scientist you get the big payoff, but that's like saying if you are a good college basketball player you'll get the big payday in the NBA. The odds are against you. |
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