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Re: Of course it isn't. Everyone has an obligation to make sure that their Internet connection is being used in the freest manner. You may not be able to give everyone access, but you have to be responsible enough that you can make sure to increase access. Simply buying a router, connecting and saying "I don't know how to set up an isolated AP" isn't sufficient, IMO. If a person is unable to take the necessary steps to ensure that they can provide an unmonitored open network, then they have no business buying a router.
It's the same with a credit card. You are protected against fraud, but if you fail to take notify your credit card company as soon as you are aware of the fraud charges, you may be liable.
So at the end of the day, I believe we all carry a level of responsibility to ourselves, to our ISP, and to the Internet to make sure that our connection is open. |
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 RobIn Deo speramus.Premium
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kudos:3 | Are you implying that freest & open should mean that we can do whatever we want on the Internet, damn the laws? |
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| said by Rob:Are you implying that freest & open should mean that we can do whatever we want on the Internet, damn the laws?
What 'Law' says you MUST secure your router or put a lock on your door? You've been reading too many sheeple stories. Perhaps it's time for your cool aid... |
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RobIn Deo speramus.Premium
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kudos:3 | said by meeeeeeeeee:said by Rob:Are you implying that freest & open should mean that we can do whatever we want on the Internet, damn the laws?
What 'Law' says you MUST secure your router or put a lock on your door? You've been reading too many sheeple stories. Perhaps it's time for your cool aid... No, I was referring to the copyright and infringement laws.
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| said by Rob  No, I was referring to the copyright and infringement laws. [/BQUOTE :They require people to secure their routers and put locks on their doors? Where? Can you site the statute and paragraph?
Because you are a sheeple willing to drink the cool aid on command you may believe such nonsense, but don't expect much in the way of support from intelligent people. WE KNOW it's not good to drink the cool aid. |
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RobIn Deo speramus.Premium
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kudos:3 | I think you're misunderstanding (and not sure why you have to name call?). I meant that even though you may believe the Internet should be a free and open medium, there are laws that must be followed.
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| said by Rob:I think you're misunderstanding (and not sure why you have to name call?). I meant that even though you may believe the Internet should be a free and open medium, there are laws that must be followed.
Please site them Statute and paragraph and explain how they relate to "securing" routers and putting locks on doors. Because they exist in the minds of sheeple does not make it so... sorry. |
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RobIn Deo speramus.Premium
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kudos:3 | Statue and paragraph of the copyright and infringement laws? |
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| said by Rob:Statue and paragraph of the copyright and infringement laws?
Of whatever law you claim requires people to "secure" routers and put locks on doors. That was your claim and WE want to know the laws (Statute and paragraph) that support that. |
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RobIn Deo speramus.Premium
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kudos:3 | said by meeeeeeeeee:said by Rob:Statue and paragraph of the copyright and infringement laws?
Of whatever law you claim requires people to "secure" routers and put locks on doors. That was your claim and WE want to know the laws (Statute and paragraph) that support that. I never claimed or implied that there was a law that required people to secure their router or put locks on their door.
If I did, then it was a mistake -- can you please reference me the post I made such a claim?
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| said by Rob:said by meeeeeeeeee:said by Rob:Statue and paragraph of the copyright and infringement laws?
Of whatever law you claim requires people to "secure" routers and put locks on doors. That was your claim and WE want to know the laws (Statute and paragraph) that support that. I never claimed or implied that there was a law that required people to secure their router or put locks on their door. If I did, then it was a mistake -- can you please reference me the post I made such a claim? You've been implying it with every post. THERE IS NO SUCH LAW, plain and simple, no matter WHAT the sheeple bleet. |
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| Re: Of course it isn't. said by Rob:Are you implying that freest & open should mean that we can do whatever we want on the Internet, damn the laws? WHAT LAWS??? If YOU wish to give up your rights and freedoms, go right ahead, but the rest of us will pass on the cool aid... thanks. |
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kudos:3 | said by meeeeeeeeee:said by Rob:Are you implying that freest & open should mean that we can do whatever we want on the Internet, damn the laws? WHAT LAWS??? If YOU wish to give up your rights and freedoms, go right ahead, but the rest of us will pass on the cool aid... thanks. Sir, I think you've passed on more than just cool aid.
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1 edit | said by Rob:Sir, I think you've passed on more than just cool aid. I won't take a pass on FACTS. If you state (or even imply) there are laws, be prepared to cite them. More and more courts (as this article very clearly points out) are ruling that there is nothing wrong, criminal or negligent with having an open router. |
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1 edit | Re: Of course it isn't. "damn the laws"? WHAT LAWS? Perhaps instead of bleeting and spreading misinformation you should actually read what you are commenting on BEFORE you comment. Spreading misinformation actually damages many open router initiatives and deprives people of Internet access. |
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1 edit | Really? I've already explained this. I think you need to revisit the posts above. |
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said by Rob:I meant that even though you may believe the Internet should be a free and open medium, there are laws that must be followed.
The problem here is a common one. You seem to be equating 'free and open Internet' with some sense of lawlessness. If not, then you are simply stating two unrelated facts: ie, Even though the Internet should be free and open, people still have to stop at red lights. Of course, stating two unrelated facts like this would be pointless, confusing, and is not relevant to the discussion.
The idea of a free and open Internet access does not in any way imply the breaking of laws. |
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