CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picturePremium
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| Too convenient While I don't doubt that the data may have come from Blue Toad, I still say it is more plausible that DeHart (or someone working for him) was selling the data to an FBI agent. He even covers his ass in case AntiSec proves it was an FBI laptop:
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DeHart said he could not rule out the possibility that the data stolen from his company’s servers was shared with others, and eventually made its way onto an FBI computer.
Why would AntiSec make up that the FBI had the data knowing that the FBI would simply deny it. For that matter, why bother hacking anything at all? If they are going to make something up and blame the FBI, why not simply 'generate' a file of names, UDID's, phone #'s, etc.?
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| »venturebeat.com/2011/12/27/anony···or-hack/
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More than 9,000 active credit card numbers were stolen from the security think tank.
In a high-profile incident that blew up the news on Christmas, the notorious hacker group Anonymous claimed to have stolen credit card data and other client details from Austin-based security think tank Stratfor, with the intent of donating $1 million in stolen cash to charity.
Quit automatically believing these scumbags. They say what they want so their mindless sheep followers will believe they have a good purpose in what they do. |
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CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picturePremium
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| reply to Metatron2008
Well, I don't know about the credit card #'s but the emails they got from Stratfor are very interesting!
»wikileaks.org/the-gifiles.html
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They say what they want so their mindless sheep followers will believe they have a good purpose in what they do.
Haha, that sounds more like you are talking about the government! |
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said by CXM_Splicer:Why would AntiSec make up that the FBI had the data knowing that the FBI would simply deny it. For that matter, why bother hacking anything at all?
For the "Lulz".
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CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picturePremium
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| Like I said, if it was only for the fun of poking at the FBI there would be no reason to bother actually hacking anything; just release made up info... much easier and just as effective.
I am still waiting for Blue Toads explanation of exactly why they were keeping records of people that weren't their customers. If their plan wasn't to sell them to the FBI then why did they have them? |
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| Blue Toad likely had them for the same reason Google keeps track of users who browser third party web sites using tracking cookies, for advertising/marketing purposes (i.e. to make more money).
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CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picturePremium
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| I assume by 'marketing' you mean selling that data to an interested third party? Do you think Blue Toad gives a frog's ass if they sell the data to Google, Doublelick, or the FBI? They will sell to anyone willing to pay.
Welcome to a new era in government surveillance... private companies can collect the data on us and make a profit selling it to the Feds; just another form of privatization. |
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| Yes, they could sell it to the FBI (or the FBI could just subpena it), but my point is the data is virtually worthless to the FBI.
A name and an UDID gives them a lot less information that they could get by pulling tax records from the IRS or pull cell phone records from cell companies. The FBI would be better off simply swiping phone books from door steps as that would provide tons more information which could actually be used. Hell if they wanted UDIDs, they could have just gotten all of them from Apple.
It's not like the UDID is tied to any useful information. Okay so the FBI could see your Angry Birds high score (possibly). What would that get them?
If you truly believe that Blue Toad is front company created by the FBI to harvest Apple UDIDs for some insidious purpose to track all iPhone users on the planet, then this website is for you.
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| Obviously the fbi is wanting all of our angry birds high scores so they can hax them, duh! Anonymous is only trying to help by stealing credit card numbers!
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said by Morac:If you truly believe that Blue Toad is front company created by the FBI to harvest Apple UDIDs for some insidious purpose to track all iPhone users on the planet, then this website is for you.
I appreciate the hat advice but I already have one of those. I wasn't saying (or even implying) that they were a front company but I don't doubt that the FBI (et al) does in fact have front companies set up to collect data. I think the FBI was merely purchasing the data from the Toads who would willingly sell out to the Feds for a few bucks. Times are hard out there, companies have to do what they have to do to survive.
It is quite possible that Apple is not interested in selling customer information at the level the FBI would be interested in. If that were the case, the FBI would have to resort to other means to get the info. A subpoena wouldn't work since there is no legal case that could be made to justify the wholesale handing over of ALL customer info.
If you want to claim that UDID's aren't tied to any useful info and are basically worthless as far as a 'leak' goes then there would be nothing for AntiSec to gain by making up this story. Your theory tends to disqualify itself. |
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| said by CXM_Splicer:If you want to claim that UDID's aren't tied to any useful info and are basically worthless as far as a 'leak' goes then there would be nothing for AntiSec to gain by making up this story. Your theory tends to disqualify itself.
What AntiSec leaked in itself is useless. It ties a user specified and changeable device name to a UDID. AntiSec themselves said only some of the data they stole has any more info than that (probably whatever app users optionally entered).
Apple is moving away from using UDID in iOS 6 anyway so the UDID will no longer be able to be used to track iOS users, so like I said the list is pretty much useless.
Interestingly enough my first and last name is on the leaked list, but the associated UDID doesn't match any of my devices. I can only conclude from that that there is another person with the same first and last name as me, who has an Apple product.
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