mogamer
join:2011-04-20
Royal Oak, MI | reply to LightS
Re: :O said by LightS: Who can complain about that?
People who work for the established cabelco/telcos. |
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 skeechanAi OtsukaholicPremium
join:2012-01-26
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| ...Or those that see this for what it is, an experiment that won't likely see any real expansion. It'll soon be added to the ever growing list of abandoned Google projects: iGoogle, Google Wave, Google Knol, Google Bookmarks List, Google Gears, Google Buzz, Google Health, Google Notebooks, Google Answers...
In other words, people are foaming for no reason. |
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 LightSPremium
join:2005-12-17
Greenville, TX | reply to mogamer
I'm wouldn't be surprised if he's a shill anyways. Of course he'll deny it, but any time caps, or any innovative thing regarding improving bandwidth speed comes around, he suddenly says it's "not practical" etc etc.. |
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JTR
join:2012-05-19
Carbondale, IL Reviews:
·Mediacom
| said by LightS:I'm wouldn't be surprised if he's a shill anyways. Of course he'll deny it, but any time caps, or any innovative thing regarding improving bandwidth speed comes around, he suddenly says it's "not practical" etc etc..
Ah, the shill arguement. I'm so very sorry that my views don't happen to align with yours.
For the record, I am affiliated with nobody but myself. I speak my mind, not someone else's. I wouldn't have thousands of posts on multiple forums (almost all on topics unrelated to ISPs) if I was a paid corporate shill. |
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LightSPremium
join:2005-12-17
Greenville, TX | Sorry man - my comment wasn't directed at you!
It's actually directed at ITALIAN926. |
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join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | reply to skeechan
said by skeechan:...Or those that see this for what it is, an experiment that won't likely see any real expansion. It'll soon be added to the ever growing list of abandoned Google projects: iGoogle, Google Wave, Google Knol, Google Bookmarks List, Google Gears, Google Buzz, Google Health, Google Notebooks, Google Answers...
In other words, people are foaming for no reason.
That is the main issue. Will Google follow thru on a project that is marginally profitable and has a high cost structure for support? Past history suggests Google will get all the PR benefit they can on this and a couple years down the road they will cut their losses and sell the infrastructure to someone else that will want to charge fees that can make a profit w/o subsidization from a huge ad network.
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JTR
join:2012-05-19
Carbondale, IL Reviews:
·Mediacom
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Re: :O said by Linklist:said by skeechan:...Or those that see this for what it is, an experiment that won't likely see any real expansion. It'll soon be added to the ever growing list of abandoned Google projects: iGoogle, Google Wave, Google Knol, Google Bookmarks List, Google Gears, Google Buzz, Google Health, Google Notebooks, Google Answers...
In other words, people are foaming for no reason.
That is the main issue. Will Google follow thru on a project that is marginally profitable and has a high cost structure for support? Past history suggests Google will get all the PR benefit they can on this and a couple years down the road they will cut their losses and sell the infrastructure to someone else that will want to charge fees that can make a profit w/o subsidization from a huge ad network. Yeah, and there's that line in their contract stating that they can cancel in two years (or is it within two years?). Either way, they can ditch the project without any repercussions. |
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Directed at either of us, we're saying the SAME sensible thing. You people, I swear. Wow, my grandpa cant wait to get Gbps internet. LMAO.
As Alpha Beta's Ogre once said.. NEEEEEEEEEEERDS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!  |
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 tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 | reply to JTR
said by JTR:said by Linklist:said by skeechan:...Or those that see this for what it is, an experiment that won't likely see any real expansion. It'll soon be added to the ever growing list of abandoned Google projects: iGoogle, Google Wave, Google Knol, Google Bookmarks List, Google Gears, Google Buzz, Google Health, Google Notebooks, Google Answers...
In other words, people are foaming for no reason.
That is the main issue. Will Google follow thru on a project that is marginally profitable and has a high cost structure for support? Past history suggests Google will get all the PR benefit they can on this and a couple years down the road they will cut their losses and sell the infrastructure to someone else that will want to charge fees that can make a profit w/o subsidization from a huge ad network. Yeah, and there's that line in their contract stating that they can cancel in two years (or is it within two years?). Either way, they can ditch the project without any repercussions. You have a link to that contract?
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join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5
2 edits | said by tiger72:You have a link to that contract?
Follow the link in this BBR story:
»Google Can Ditch Kansas City After Two Years
Here is the 2 yr walk away info:
»www.lightreading.com/document.as···d=223899
"Google will have the right to terminate the Agreement for convenience at any time up to two (2) years after actual construction commences on the fiber network," the franchise agreement states.
If the deal is terminated after services are launched, Google and the city can create a new operating agreement "for the continued use of the existing fiber network, which could involve operation of the network by a third party."
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skeechanAi OtsukaholicPremium
join:2012-01-26
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kudos:2 | reply to tiger72
»fiber.google.com/legal/terms.html
I didn't read it closely but I didn't see any 2 year thing.
Edit - NM, it apparently is in the franchise agreement. |
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Longport, NJ
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1 edit | said by skeechan:https://fiber.google.com/legal/terms.html
I didn't read it closely but I didn't see any 2 year thing.
That is between Google and the customer and NOT between Google and the city franchise authorities. Here is the agreement with KC: » www.lightreading.com/document.as···d=223899"Google will have the right to terminate the Agreement for convenience at any time up to two (2) years after actual construction commences on the fiber network," the franchise agreement states.
If the deal is terminated after services are launched, Google and the city can create a new operating agreement "for the continued use of the existing fiber network, which could involve operation of the network by a third party."
»www.mittromney.com/s/repeal-and-···bamacare
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tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 | reply to Linklist
said by Linklist:said by tiger72:You have a link to that contract?
Follow the link in this BBR story: » Google Can Ditch Kansas City After Two YearsHere is the 2 yr walk away info: » www.lightreading.com/document.as···d=223899"Google will have the right to terminate the Agreement for convenience at any time up to two (2) years after actual construction commences on the fiber network," the franchise agreement states.
If the deal is terminated after services are launched, Google and the city can create a new operating agreement "for the continued use of the existing fiber network, which could involve operation of the network by a third party." That's great. Do you have a link to the actual contract?
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join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | said by tiger72:said by Linklist:said by tiger72:You have a link to that contract?
Follow the link in this BBR story: » Google Can Ditch Kansas City After Two YearsHere is the 2 yr walk away info: » www.lightreading.com/document.as···d=223899"Google will have the right to terminate the Agreement for convenience at any time up to two (2) years after actual construction commences on the fiber network," the franchise agreement states.
If the deal is terminated after services are launched, Google and the city can create a new operating agreement "for the continued use of the existing fiber network, which could involve operation of the network by a third party." That's great. Do you have a link to the actual contract? » cityclerk.kcmo.org/liveweb/Docum···2fPqQ8hdThe agreement found at above link. Click on Agreement.pdf  agreement.pdf 183200 bytes
KC Google franchise agreement
Using the find feature of Adobe Reader or other PDF reading tool, find "(2) years" to see the get out of dodge 2 yr clause. Of course feel free to peruse the whole document if you want. The above agreement was with Kansas City, MO. If you want Kansas City, Kansas you will have to look for yourself. I wasted enough time finding the above document and have no desire to see if the Kansas City, Kansas agreement is different. --
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tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 | said by Linklist:http://cityclerk.kcmo.org/liveweb/Documents/Document.aspx?q=8OhiEnh5QRUzYmhhPBOauwHL5G24qmBK654IOIXXPkZ2eiYVOgmvkavN7%2fPqQ8hd
The agreement found at above link. Click on Agreement.pdf
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Using the find feature of Adobe Reader or other PDF reading tool, find "(2) years" to see the get out of dodge 2 yr clause.
Of course feel free to peruse the whole document if you want.
The above agreement was with Kansas City, MO. If you want Kansas City, Kansas you will have to look for yourself. I wasted enough time finding the above document and have no desire to see if the Kansas City, Kansas agreement is different.
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