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BF69
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

reply to clone

Re: just take the spectrum from the tv stations.

said by clone:

Meaning if you are in an area where there is an overcrowded cell, turn the power down and add a second one. Just like splitting the node in cable, but since it's shiny magical wireless, the telcos have snowed everyone into believing there is some mysterious reason they can't compete and just HAVE to take more spectrum, when all they really want to do is sit on their laurels and collect the revenue without spending a dime.

A) That cost money who is paying for that? Also you always get a bunch of local idiots protesting about a new tower going up. So then there is lawsuits and how does that take to settle?

B) Won't necessarily solve the problem. Even with a 2nd tower you can only use a frequency so much.

C) Anyway they will get at most channels 38-51. Probably not even that. Auction won't take place before 2014. And relocating won't take place until 2015. Makes sense to wait until after Sept 1st 2015 when LP analog is shut down. Many LPs will decide not to upgrade to digital so their channel allotments will open up.

sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
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said by BF69:

A) That cost money who is paying for that? Also you always get a bunch of local idiots protesting about a new tower going up. So then there is lawsuits and how does that take to settle?

B) Won't necessarily solve the problem. Even with a 2nd tower you can only use a frequency so much.

C) Anyway they will get at most channels 38-51. Probably not even that. Auction won't take place before 2014. And relocating won't take place until 2015. Makes sense to wait until after Sept 1st 2015 when LP analog is shut down. Many LPs will decide not to upgrade to digital so their channel allotments will open up.

A) Uh... maybe the users that pay them for their services?

B) What? What the devil does that even mean? Are you implying frequency will "get tired", start to complain about being overworked?

clone

join:2000-12-11
Portage, IN

reply to BF69
A) The telco is going to pay for it. Trust me, short of Sprint, the Big 4 aren't hurting. And to address your second point, the only place more spectrum is *really* needed is in the major metro areas. You get NIMBYs in the suburban/rural areas. They can always find someone willing to let them stick an antenna on their building/property in the metropolises.

B) Huh? That's why the power gets turned down. In fact in CDMA and UMTS systems, every cell site in a system is already using the exact same frequency. It requires some finess in the fine tuning, but I'm sure the engineers for VZW and ATT are top-notch and can handle the challenge.

C) Just channels 38-51? Oh is that all? Well nevermind then. It's just 84 more megahertz of "Boardwalk/Park Place" spectrum that is currently used for free OTA broadcasts that serve the public interest handed over to the incumbents. I would say "corporate welfare", but it's worse than that. The government gets the money and the people get nothing but higher prices and more duopolistic behaviors.

Let them finish building out 700 first. By the time "5G" or whatever comes along, they can re-farm cellular spectrum, PCS spectrum, or AWS spectrum. They really don't need enough spectrum to be running 4 redundant networks. Verizon plans to turn off EVDO once LTE is ubiquitous. What about all that PCS spectrum? What about the AWS spectrum that ATT and Verizon have been squatting on for years (and buying more of) without actually lighting up a single cell site on it. What is going to happen to Verizon's 800MHz once CDMA is deprecated (about 8 years out according to internal sources)? There is plenty to go around.

If broadcasters want to voluntarily give up spectrum for something, fine. But please, let it be something new and/or innovative, not just handed over to the telco oligarchy to entrench their positions.


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