Re: lot of data

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TamaraB Question The Current Paradigm Premium join:2000-11-08 Da Bronx Reviews: ·Optimum Online ·Clearwire Wireless	reply to sk1939 Re: lot of data said by sk1939: that merchandise isn't any more legitimate then when you had Unless you returned it to it's owner, which is what essentially has taken place here.
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tshirt Premium,MVM join:2004-07-11 Snohomish, WA kudos:3 Reviews: ·Comcast 1 edit	said by TamaraB: Unless you returned it to it's owner, which is what essentially has taken place here. Really? They seem to be suggesting public release which certainly won't help the privacy of the individuals to whom the info ID's, even IF it demonstrates the validity of their claim to have hacked that data. No one likes what the FBI has done, some of it may be usefully security wise, but the secure handling of that info is a paramount duty so IF the FBI really lost it, that's a crime of it's own (aren't they now required to notify each user of its loss?) Whistleblowers are protected for reveling a problem, but not if they found the problem by criminal means outside the scope of their normal employment. something similar should apply to third parties, no matter how good their intentions (or not) the hacking itself is still a crime.
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Thaler Premium join:2004-02-02 Los Angeles, CA kudos:3	But the privacy of the individuals was already breached. At least now people know about it.
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tshirt Premium,MVM join:2004-07-11 Snohomish, WA kudos:3 Reviews: ·Comcast	MAYBE data taken as they claim, MAYBE they got it elsewhere, and are blaming the FBI (makes a good story) MAYBE they have little or no data (it's most a story, for the PR value) But suppose it happened as they say. I would liken that to breaking into each house on a road, eventually I may find evidence of some illegal or unsavory actions in some house. reporting it is the right thing to do, but doesn't justify my break-ins.
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Cthen join:2004-08-01 Detroit, MI Reviews: ·Verizon Wireless.. ·Comcast	said by tshirt: I would liken that to breaking into each house on a road, eventually I may find evidence of some illegal or unsavory actions in some house. reporting it is the right thing to do, but doesn't justify my break-ins. Actually, that has happened many times over in court. As long as the one who committed the crime was not the lawyer, the person tends to get a pardon on their actions in return for bringing vital evidence to a case. (Not every time though depending on how severe the crime was) The problem here is this haxing group going public rather than saving it as evidence. They are trying to play a public judge and jury themselves without having any legal counsel doing research into what they have. -- "I like to refer to myself as an Adult Film Efficienato." - Stuart Bondek
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tshirt Premium,MVM join:2004-07-11 Snohomish, WA kudos:3 Reviews: ·Comcast	It MIGHT be used to excuse that directly connected crime, but a continuous crime spree? Isn't that exactly what they are accusing the FBI of?* That is thousands of illegal searches looking for that needle in the haystack/for evidence of more serious crimes? *we can't say if the FBI action is in fact justified or legal/illegal due to the secercy of the action if any. we can certainly say that the hackers are operating outside the law, and evidence they present is suspect (or should be) because it is also the justification of their cause.
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Thaler Premium join:2004-02-02 Los Angeles, CA kudos:3	said by tshirt: Isn't that exactly what they are accusing the FBI of?* That is thousands of illegal searches looking for that needle in the haystack/for evidence of more serious crimes? Problem is, one of these groups is a random bunch of assholes that occasionally do something productive in their troll sprees. The other group is a government agency rifling through my junk in a questionably legal manner. I don't expect much from anonymous internet denizens. I should be able to expect someone I fund (albeit through taxes) to not screw me in return. Maybe I just expect too much.
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openbox9 Premium join:2004-01-26 japan kudos:2	reply to TamaraB You're blinded by your argument. How can you even begin to suggest that returning the UDID of one of my devices to everyone on the planet is "returning it to its owner"?
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Noah Vail Son made my Avatar Premium join:2004-12-10 Lorton, VA kudos:2 Reviews: ·Bright House	said by openbox9: How can you even begin to suggest that returning the UDID of one of my devices to everyone on the planet is "returning it to its owner"? The owner is whoever paid for it and that would be me. The rest of the owners are the entirety of US citizens who fund the FBI through taxes - paid directly and/or passed to them through the cost of goods they buy.
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openbox9 Premium join:2004-01-26 japan kudos:2	Ok, so yes, the UDID would be returned to the owner....and about 4 billion other people. How is that a good thing again?
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Noah Vail Son made my Avatar Premium join:2004-12-10 Lorton, VA kudos:2 Reviews: ·Bright House	said by openbox9: Ok, so yes, the UDID would be returned to the owner....and about 4 billion other people. How is that a good thing again? The whole of it includes public awareness that gov agencies warehouse our private info. Therein lies the good. -- Campaign contributions influence laws through a process called bribery.
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openbox9 Premium join:2004-01-26 japan kudos:2	So two wrongs make a right? Does anyone actually believe that Big Brother hasn't been watching us?
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Noah Vail Son made my Avatar Premium join:2004-12-10 Lorton, VA kudos:2 Reviews: ·Bright House	said by openbox9: So two wrongs make a right? Correcting a wrong by returning information to those who've paid for it is an excellent example of right. said by openbox9: Does anyone actually believe that Big Brother hasn't been watching us? Nearly everyone is uninformed of the level, depth and detail at which our government monitors us. This action rolls back a tiny bit of that unhealthy ignorance. -- Campaign contributions influence laws through a process called bribery.
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openbox9 Premium join:2004-01-26 japan kudos:2	said by Noah Vail: Correcting a wrong by returning information to those who've paid for it is an excellent example of right. Returning information? Paid for? I'm still confused as to what point you're attempting to make.
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Noah Vail Son made my Avatar Premium join:2004-12-10 Lorton, VA kudos:2 Reviews: ·Bright House	said by openbox9: said by Noah Vail: Correcting a wrong by returning information to those who've paid for it is an excellent example of right. Returning information? Paid for? I'm still confused as to what point you're attempting to make. The entirety of government, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation is funded by US Taxpayers. What the government generates is owned by us - because we pay for it. -- Campaign contributions influence laws through a process called bribery.
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openbox9 Premium join:2004-01-26 japan kudos:2	Ok, now if you can tie the funding of our Federal Government to the allegations of FBI data being accessed and posted for the world to see, that would be nice.
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