amungusPremium
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America | lot of data 3TB from a laptop? I find that part hard to believe unless they mean uncompressed... Doubt they issue laptops with that kind of raw capacity. Whatever the hackers claim to have, however, is still some interesting data.
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kudos:2 | If the claim is true, I would assume that these criminals have obtained data from more than just one laptop, and more than just the 12M Apple UDIDs. |
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wentlancYou Can't Fix Dumb..
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And there is no such thing as data compression that could make a large flat text file much smaller?? I agree that there must have been more data compromised, but 3TB uncompressed would easily fit onto todays laptops. |
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| said by wentlanc: ... 3TB uncompressed would easily fit onto todays laptops. Could also be on a network share. |
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I would assume as the FBI, they have large hard drives. LoL
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said by openbox9:If the claim is true, I would assume that these criminals have obtained data from more than just one laptop, and more than just the 12M Apple UDIDs.
When a thief steals from a thief in order to publicly expose his crime, only the first thief is the criminal. |
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It's possible a laptop could have a 3 TB drive, though most do not.
What I'm curious about is how Anonymous found the time to transfer 3 TB worth of data over WiFi without the laptop owner noticing.
Even assuming using 802.11n at the fastest theoretical speed (300 Mbps/37.5 MBps), that's still nearly a day to transfer all the data. Assuming realistic 802.11n speeds it would take about 2 days maxing out the laptops WiFi (which I'm assuming someone would notice). Granted if the data was compressed, the time to transfer would be considerably (maybe 1/10th of that so say about 4 hours), but still...
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said by TamaraB:said by openbox9:If the claim is true, I would assume that these criminals have obtained data from more than just one laptop, and more than just the 12M Apple UDIDs.
When a thief steals from a thief in order to publicly expose his crime, only the first thief is the criminal. Wrong. Thievery is thievery, no matter the origin of the material. Just because you stole it doesn't make it legitimate (ie if you shop lifted, and someone broke into your car and stole that merchandise, that merchandise isn't any more legitimate then when you had it). |
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said by Morac:It's possible a laptop could have a 3 TB drive, though most do not.
What I'm curious about is how Anonymous found the time to transfer 3 TB worth of data over WiFi without the laptop owner noticing.
Even assuming using 802.11n at the fastest theoretical speed (300 Mbps /37.5 MBps), that's still nearly a day to transfer all the data.
You think someone would have noticed.... |
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Tell that to PFC Bradley Manning. |
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Maybe not if it was left on in an office over a weekend. |
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| said by hunterjb:Maybe not if it was left on in an office over a weekend.
This is why zero day attacks are so dangerous...although if there was an IDS in place, it should have picked up on the unusual traffic patterns using heuristics. |
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said by sk1939:that merchandise isn't any more legitimate then when you had
Unless you returned it to it's owner, which is what essentially has taken place here. |
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He was the first thief. |
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said by skeechan:Tell that to PFC Bradley Manning.
That's a totally different issue. It has to do with government secrets. However both in the Manning case and in the one at hand here, nothing was actually "stolen". The UUID's are still in the possession of the devices where they reside. The only thing done here was to make public the fact that government has in it's possession information they have no right to have. Don't forget that WE THE PEOPLE ARE THE GOVERNMENT!
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Which is why you don't steal from the mafiaa.
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Some would say he was a thief who stole from criminals (of course others still would call him a traitor).
My point is, thieves of thieves still get busted. |
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said by amungus:3TB from a laptop? I find that part hard to believe unless they mean uncompressed... Doubt they issue laptops with that kind of raw capacity. Whatever the hackers claim to have, however, is still some interesting data.
Popcorn time..
Based on just the tweet, it doesn't indicate whether the 3TB are from this hack, other hacks, or compilation of miscellaneous other information they think is important. |
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said by Morac:What I'm curious about is how Anonymous found the time to transfer 3 TB worth of data over WiFi without the laptop owner noticing. Lets assume that the exploit was the 0-day java exploit, lets say this exploit downloaded additional code, which, when executed, told the machine to upload this data to a server, while also compressing said data, as well as setting up tasks in the background to auto-resume the upload in the event that the laptop was shutdown or restarted. This is what spyware/malware is capable of, and even the best people sometimes don't know that they're infected.
Bottom line: You're expecting too much of people to notice that they're machine is infected, or know of security vulnerabilities, especially workers outside of IT. There's also many people that come to expect periodic slowdowns of their machines as well, which allows this to proliferate. |
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Not really. Let's say it was a 4 hour transfer. It's not unreasonable to assume that this could happen while the Agent was sleeping.
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