elray
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Santa Monica, CA | reply to Telco
Re: Truth said by Telco:The RepubliCon party always beats on about capitalism and the free market, yet fails to grasp or accept that the cornerstone of the free market is competition; which drives the invisible hand.
And the Left fails to grasp or accept that rural consumers are unwilling to pay rates sufficient to attract competing vendors.
GOP respects consumer's rights to NOT purchase services they don't want, unlike the current regime, which will fine tax you if you don't buy their "affordable care" policy.
Rural markets are natural monopolies, and should be regulated accordingly; while that will generally mean substantially higher prices for broadband, it will assure its availability. |
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| said by elray:And the Left fails to grasp or accept that rural consumers are unwilling to pay rates sufficient to attract competing vendors.
GOP respects consumer's rights to NOT purchase services they don't want, unlike the current regime, which will fine tax you if you don't buy their "affordable care" policy.
Rural markets are natural monopolies, and should be regulated accordingly; while that will generally mean substantially higher prices for broadband, it will assure its availability.
Fair enough. Can you explain the monopolies in almost every metro area throughout America?
I live in one of the wealthiest counties in the country and close to a major city yet only have Comcast, not even VZ DSL.
What's even more laughable is someone on the west coast defending telecoms in America, considering how limited choices are there - in AT&T country. The limited choices in the San Jose area for example are a complete joke. |
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East Lansing, MI | reply to elray
said by elray:And the Left fails to grasp or accept that rural consumers are unwilling to pay rates sufficient to attract competing vendors.
GOP respects consumer's rights to NOT purchase services they don't want, unlike the current regime, which will fine tax you if you don't buy their "affordable care" policy.
Then how do the laws that were passed preventing rural communities from establishing their own broadband networks come into play with all this. One of the big elephants in the room is that the big telcos have lobbied extremely hard in many states to prevent local, rural communities from starting their own ISPs, by local votes, by their own community members. These are often areas that want the service but the telcos are unwilling to serve them due to population density -- or it just plain doesn't fit their market plan. |
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Mount Airy, MD | said by quetwo:Then how do the laws that were passed preventing rural communities from establishing their own broadband networks come into play with all this. The only such laws are those which save taxpayers money by restricting the ability of local governments to waste it on things like broadband.
As this site has reported, there have been many municipal internet rackets that have gone under and left taxpayers holding the bag.
Of course, there is nothing stopping private investors from using their own money, or raising money, to fund such a venture.
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elray
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Santa Monica, CA | reply to quetwo
said by quetwo:said by elray:And the Left fails to grasp or accept that rural consumers are unwilling to pay rates sufficient to attract competing vendors.
GOP respects consumer's rights to NOT purchase services they don't want, unlike the current regime, which will fine tax you if you don't buy their "affordable care" policy.
Then how do the laws that were passed preventing rural communities from establishing their own broadband networks come into play with all this. One of the big elephants in the room is that the big telcos have lobbied extremely hard in many states to prevent local, rural communities from starting their own ISPs, by local votes, by their own community members. These are often areas that want the service but the telcos are unwilling to serve them due to population density -- or it just plain doesn't fit their market plan. Your assertion is simply untrue.
Rural communities are not prevented from establishing their own broadband networks. Only the local government.
There are several avenues to form your own broadband service without using the government, and hundreds of communities have done just that, whether or not it is fiscally advisable.
It isn't that telco is unwilling to serve; customers are unwilling to pay the rates necessary to support the service. That's not a condemnation, its simple math. Low-density rural broadband has much higher costs per household, wired or wireless, while rural people are more likely to not subscribe.
We can and should continue to dialogue on the 21st-century meaning of "universal service", which may mean more than just dialtone... but does it mean the rest of us have to subsidize every rural household $10K to plumb fiber, and ongoing subsidies to buy down the monthly rate to $30/month from the real-world cost of $100+?
I don't think so. |
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Which municipal FTTH project failed?
Actually, the legislation was proposed by the large Telcos in various states, to completely prevent any county or city from installing their own FTTH. That decision should be left up to the voters of a community, not Republican legislators and their corporate cronies.
said by pnh102:Of course, there is nothing stopping private investors from using their own money, or raising money, to fund such a venture.
Which part of they do not want to service these areas do you fail to grasp? Moreover, am I surprised with you stance? No. Republicans hate government yet have no problem whatsoever using it to push a corporate agenda. |
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said by elray:Your assertion is simply untrue.
Likewise. What rock have you lived under, as you clearly missed the Telcos lobbying, state after state, (R) legislator to prevent any county from installing their own FTTH network.
Once again, if a telco is unwilling to service a county or adequately, why should they (i.e. Americans) be prevented from installing and operating their own network???
Nobody is asking some twit from Santa Monica to fund anything. Rather, communities want the right deliver a service, when your beloved private sector has failed; as it does so frequently. |
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to Telco
said by Telco:Which municipal FTTH project failed?
Here are a few. And why do you conclude that any government-funded project has a guaranteed success? » A Municipal Failure» www.carolinajournal.com/exclusiv···?id=7562» www.smartplanet.com/blog/thinkin···fi/11546» www.technologyreview.com/view/42···romised/said by Telco:Actually, the legislation was proposed by the large Telcos in various states... I couldn't care less who proposed it. In the end the taxpayers win because their money isn't wasted on something that isn't vital. said by Telco:Which part of they do not want to service these areas do you fail to grasp? Ok I am typing this really slow so that you understand. My suggestion was for *private* entities and persons to raise their own money to build their network. You do realize this doesn't have to mean a cable or telephone company, right? --
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I just love how AT&T and South Carolina legislation defines broadband at 190 kb/s. Way to keep us in the 20th century along with blue laws. |
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to Telco
said by Telco:Likewise. What rock have you lived under, as you clearly missed the Telcos lobbying, state after state, (R) legislator to prevent any county from installing their own FTTH network. Yes... any government from doing it. Any private interest can still do it. There is no law that prevents any private individual, organization or entity from setting up and operating a private broadband or cable provider.
That is, unless of course your beloved government decides to stop it.
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