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MyDogHsFleas
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Spin, spin, spin, spin, spin....

is anyone interested in the way things actually are? as opposed to the ridiculous spin that these "whistleblowers" are being given?

William Binney is simply a butt-hurt former NSA geek (not the "Lead", "Head of the program", or "Chief Designer", or any of the other completely made-up titles in this spin cycle). The program he was touting was killed in favor of another. He went into a rage, filing complaints. etc. All the rest of this is simply his rage at the NSA, which the spin meisters who are against the NSA even existing or having an anti-terrorist mission are using to further their cause. He actually has no idea what's really going on, it's all made up speculation.

Don't believe me? See »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trailblazer_Project

bnceo

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If you are going to cite sources, cite non wikipedia ones.



coldmoon
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said by MyDogHsFleas:

is anyone interested in the way things actually are? as opposed to the ridiculous spin that these "whistleblowers" are being given?

William Binney is simply a butt-hurt former NSA geek (not the "Lead", "Head of the program", or "Chief Designer", or any of the other completely made-up titles in this spin cycle). The program he was touting was killed in favor of another. He went into a rage, filing complaints. etc. All the rest of this is simply his rage at the NSA, which the spin meisters who are against the NSA even existing or having an anti-terrorist mission are using to further their cause. He actually has no idea what's really going on, it's all made up speculation.

Don't believe me? See »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trailblazer_Project

A wiki article to prove your point? Really? You might want to ask yourself if the article and it's speculation are any more valid than someone who was actually on the inside. The first move for any organization caught with their hands in the cookie jar is to try and discredit the messenger...

Please try harder as it would move this debate along that much faster...
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firedrakes

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sadly only way to change this is to clean house in the gov . to make it less corrupt



footballdude
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Re: Spin, spin, spin, spin, spin....

said by bnceo:

If you are going to cite sources, cite non wikipedia ones.

Since this is all about a spy agency, wouldn't any non-wikipedia stuff get spiked?
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KodiacZiller
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Re: Spin, spin, spin, spin, spin....

said by MyDogHsFleas:

is anyone interested in the way things actually are? as opposed to the ridiculous spin that these "whistleblowers" are being given?

William Binney is simply a butt-hurt former NSA geek (not the "Lead", "Head of the program", or "Chief Designer", or any of the other completely made-up titles in this spin cycle). The program he was touting was killed in favor of another. He went into a rage, filing complaints. etc. All the rest of this is simply his rage at the NSA, which the spin meisters who are against the NSA even existing or having an anti-terrorist mission are using to further their cause. He actually has no idea what's really going on, it's all made up speculation.

Don't believe me? See »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trailblazer_Project

That's the entire point. Binney points out that his program was effective, costs much less and had privacy protections built in (it was much more targeted). NSA scrapped it in favor of another program that costs billions and has zero privacy protections. It just scoops *everything* up. This is why they are building the data center in Utah -- to house all those yottabytes of data.

As Binney points out, NSA has at least a dozen taps into the Internet backbone. AT&T is just one of the examples that came to light. So everything you say and do on the Internet *is* being stored by NSA.
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MyDogHsFleas
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said by KodiacZiller:

That's the entire point. Binney points out that his program was effective, costs much less and had privacy protections built in (it was much more targeted). NSA scrapped it in favor of another program that costs billions and has zero privacy protections.

Yes, that IS the entire point. You just recited the spin of a butt-hurt former NSA geek whose project was dumped in favor of another.

Now he is running around saying the NSA dumped his program not only stupidly, but maliciously, and (although he has no way of knowing this) they are doing all these terrible things now.

You have to consider the source, rather than just eating up the spin like it's gospel truth.

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