 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | ENOUGH! As always, it is another tax. Federal, state, local income taxes, social security and medicare taxes, state and local sales taxes, state and local property taxes, gas tax, water tax, utility tax, cell phone tax, cable TV tax, car tax, excise tax... tax after tax after tax after tax. The average taxpayer probably sees half his income go out the door in all these damn taxes.
ENOUGH ALREADY.
YOU LIVE IN AN AREA WITH NO BROADBAND? THAT'S YOUR FAULT. MOVE OR BUILD IT WITH YOUR OWN MONEY.
STOP ROBBING THE REST OF US TO PAY FOR YOUR LUXURIES.
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| For a change, I agree with you with regards to taxes.. this shit is getting out of hand..
At the same time, broadband is no longer a luxury anymore. It is the next type of communications, same as the telephone was back in the day.
What I do feel should be done, is that telco's should be treated as a dumb pipe, separate from content, and regulated in the same way other utilities are (especially if the telco's get their way and switch to metered billing). Although competition would be nice too.. but that might be asking for a little too much.
As a side note, your statement about moving to a new area with broadband, or paying for it with ones own money is absolutely ridiculous, considering much (with the exception of FIOS) of the broadband infrastructure was paid for with tax payer money, and using easement rights on peoples properties with little that property owners can do (ATT's uverse and those ugly ass cabinets) to prevent it. Why should I pay for service to my house when the companies have been using public funds (either through direct funding, or massive tax breaks). |
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Mount Airy, MD | According to the government, only 19 million people out of 305 million have no access to broadband. That comes out to just over 6% of the US population. This is hardly a huge problem anymore.
said by jvanbrecht:At the same time, broadband is no longer a luxury anymore. It is the next type of communications, same as the telephone was back in the day. I agree that broadband for most people is not a luxury, but for the people who do not have it, it is clearly not a deal breaker. You don't see the 6.22% of the population with no access to broadband dying off right and left as you would if they had no access to say, clean drinking water.
said by jvanbrecht:As a side note, your statement about moving to a new area with broadband, or paying for it with ones own money is absolutely ridiculous, considering much little (with the exception of FIOS) of the broadband infrastructure was paid for with tax payer money, and using easement rights on peoples properties with little that property owners can do (ATT's uverse and those ugly ass cabinets) to prevent it. Why should I pay for service to my house when the companies have been using public funds (either through direct funding, or massive tax breaks). All utilities use easements. I'd have no problem if another privately funded provider wanted to make use of easements to offer a new broadband option. As for taxpayer subsidies, that certainly isn't true for most cable companies. And yes, I will agree with you somewhat that if a provider has to use something on your property that significantly disrupts your use of your property, you should be allowed to come to an arrangement that is mutually beneficial (free service from said provider would be nice).
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Brewster, WA | reply to pnh102
said by pnh102:ENOUGH ALREADY.
YOU LIVE IN AN AREA WITH NO BROADBAND? THAT'S YOUR FAULT. MOVE OR BUILD IT WITH YOUR OWN MONEY.
STOP ROBBING THE REST OF US TO PAY FOR YOUR LUXURIES.
Guess what? We built it, publicly owned, fiber. Guess what happened? GTE wrote a law that made a big giant sinking handout to every incumbent ISP and new startup and forbid the utilities from offering an additional service to their customers.
The result? Big areas covered with slower than DSL Motorola Canopy systems starting at $30 a month and going up to $60 a month for 3M service.
So we tried to "PAY FOR OUR LUXURIES" and got screwed by the people who are always whining about taxes.
Quit ignoring the reality out there.
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You had me until the very last word... |
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said by firephoto: Guess what? We built it, publicly owned, fiber. Guess what happened? GTE wrote a law that made a big giant sinking handout to every incumbent ISP and new startup and forbid the utilities from offering an additional service to their customers.
Can you explain this more carefully? Perhaps I missed, something, but I don't remember GTE or anyone disassembling an operational ftt? system. |
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I wouldn't use death as the criterion for what is a "deal breaker", after-all one wouldn't die without electricity ( in most cases) or water service, but in order to participate and function in modern society, would be better. |
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Evanston, IL | reply to pnh102
quote:
The average taxpayer probably sees half his income go out the door in all these damn taxes.
I would LOVE to see something to substantiate that claim. |
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Wow.. I bet you're in that position, aren't ya?
The problem is, people have tried. You can thank specific ISPs that have banned, legally, any effort to actually wire themselves up.
So, they either have to wait (maybe the next decade or two) or rely on satellite or dialup.
Nice set of choices, eh? |
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said by pnh102:As always, it is another tax. Federal, state, local income taxes, social security and medicare taxes, state and local sales taxes, state and local property taxes, gas tax, water tax, utility tax, cell phone tax, cable TV tax, car tax, excise tax... tax after tax after tax after tax. The average taxpayer probably sees half his income go out the door in all these damn taxes.
ENOUGH ALREADY.
Amazing how government mandates abroad required that every fee and tax be included in the price of the service - in those Big Gov Federalist nations. Therefore, when something stated $69.95 for example, that is all I paid. Not to mention, not only were the services cheaper, but faster and of better value too. |
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Brewster, WA | reply to tshirt
The law in washington forbids public utilities or municipalities from providing internet or network services directly to a consumer. It MUST go through a private retailer.
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Billings, MT | said by firephoto:The law in washington forbids public utilities or municipalities from providing internet or network services directly to a consumer. It MUST go through a private retailer. What if, say, a specific ISP came in and worked with the community and municipalities and deployed a working network? |
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to ArrayList
said by ArrayList: quote:
The average taxpayer probably sees half his income go out the door in all these damn taxes.
I would LOVE to see something to substantiate that claim. Go add up all the taxes you pay in a month. Not just the stuff that gets taken out of your paycheck, but everything else too... sales tax, property tax, gas tax, any excise tax, all the other taxes you pay.
In fact, I challenge everyone to do this.
You will be very surprised to see how much in total tax you pay.
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New Orleans, LA | reply to pnh102
said by pnh102:YOU LIVE IN AN AREA WITH NO BROADBAND? THAT'S YOUR FAULT. MOVE OR BUILD IT WITH YOUR OWN MONEY.
Sounds like the typical Republican answer. Scream at the person, love the company screwing the person, and crying about taxes yet needing someone else to do them for you every year because they are too complicated |
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said by pnh102:As always, it is another tax. Federal, state, local income taxes, social security and medicare taxes, state and local sales taxes, state and local property taxes, gas tax, water tax, utility tax, cell phone tax, cable TV tax, car tax, excise tax... tax after tax after tax after tax. The average taxpayer probably sees half his income go out the door in all these damn taxes.
ENOUGH ALREADY.
YOU LIVE IN AN AREA WITH NO BROADBAND? THAT'S YOUR FAULT. MOVE OR BUILD IT WITH YOUR OWN MONEY.
STOP ROBBING THE REST OF US TO PAY FOR YOUR LUXURIES.
Not really our fault for being in an area that service hasn't been built out to.. some times its regulators screwing thing sup, sometimes its over looked.. Not all without broadband is a resident at a extreme rural location with 12 miles from the nearest neighbor...
That being said, a tax is likely not the answer.. More like opening up for people to come in areas claimed by comcast/att to compete/provide where currently they seem prohibited.. |
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That hasn't harmed Grant county PUD, or tacoma's network.
The law is more about insulating consumer useage from direct gov't interference, and protecting ratepayers/taxpayers from massive "bridge to nowhere" type buildouts that serve the current politicians more than they do the citizens who will pay the cost one way or the other. |
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said by Simba7: What if, say, a specific ISP came in and worked with the community and municipalities and deployed a working network?
That method is in Washington ,as well as utilities or other gov't/citizen owned agentcies building and owning the network, however the actual ISP you connect to over that network must be a seperate non-gov't orgainization, something like Utopia runs.
Citizens could form a not for profit co-op, and run it as an ISP over the network, competing with the other (purely private, for profit) ISPs. |
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said by pnh102:As always, it is another tax. Federal, state, local income taxes, social security and medicare taxes, state and local sales taxes, state and local property taxes, gas tax, water tax, utility tax, cell phone tax, cable TV tax, car tax, excise tax... tax after tax after tax after tax. The average taxpayer probably sees half his income go out the door in all these damn taxes.
ENOUGH ALREADY.
YOU LIVE IN AN AREA WITH NO BROADBAND? THAT'S YOUR FAULT. MOVE OR BUILD IT WITH YOUR OWN MONEY.
STOP ROBBING THE REST OF US TO PAY FOR YOUR LUXURIES.
so i guess we should just pack up all the farmers and move them to the big cities. who needs food right? |
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Billings, MT | said by chances14:so i guess we should just pack up all the farmers and move them to the big cities. who needs food right? Ya. Why grow our own food when we can import it from other countries?
We've become so fsckin' lazy and self-centered that it makes me sick. |
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In addition, borrow and waste $4 Trillion on two wars but cry murder at the thought of investing a dime in America on Americans. |
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