Re: Radio waves, not bacteria -

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danclan join:2005-11-01 Midlothian, VA	reply to Morac Re: Radio waves, not bacteria said by Morac: There has been a steady increase in the number of mental disabilities in the country (autism is a good example), so who know. (I don't mean this a personal attack so lets get started) Well for one science. We know for a fact that the radio signal involved with wi-fi is 100% harmless. Science has shown this..... repeatedly. You are exposed to far more dangerous chemical and radiological energy than your wifi router will ever be capable of putting out. Right now there are thousands of scientists weeping. The study you cite on tinnitus pretty much says nothing and says so in the summary that well for this research we can draw no conclusions other than "maybe". The study of 100 people was for far to short and didnt take into consideration prior listening activities or whether they were exposed to other ear trauma like concerts or job related noise. It also doesn't take into account the significant increase in the use of earbud headphones and the direct damage of playing them can do. If wifi was so damaging we would have literally millions of cases more of various maladies and lab mice would be dying by the truck loads after being subjected to wifi at far stronger intensity than our home routers...but we don't. Autism is a genetic disorder that has a massive body or research behind that that has not linked it to external variables such as wifi or other just as stupid theory, vaccines. Lets all keep our heads and use science as our ruler. Im sure ill be seen as ranting but seriously your wifi is harmless and will forever be. Go out side and get a sunburn, its far more dangerous to you.
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Morac Cat god join:2001-08-30 Riverside, NJ kudos:1 Reviews: ·Comcast	said by danclan: Well for one science. We know for a fact that the radio signal involved with wi-fi is 100% harmless. Science has shown this..... repeatedly. Actually no it hasn't. Studies so far have been unable to find any links between WiFi and health problems. That's different then saying it's been proven harmless. There's no way to prove WiFi is harmless. Science can't prove something doesn't happen. Semantics, maybe, but that's the way science works. That's why the World Health Organization stated that it's possible cell phone usage can cause cancer, because it's impossible to prove with a shadow of a doubt that it does not. And I didn't say wifi was "so damaging", I just said it's possible it can affect people differently (if at all). I can eat peanuts all day and they won't bother me, but give a molecule of peanut to someone with a severe nut allergy and that person will die within minutes. So are peanuts harmless? -- The Comcast Disney Avatar has been retired.
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danclan join:2005-11-01 Midlothian, VA 2 edits	actually science has. That people keep attempting to link it to it is laughable. Its a great source of funding grants even though its well known that the spectrum involved with WIFI has shown no effect on cellular activity of any kind. The WHO statement was slammed by many a reputable scientist around the world for being foolish and not scientifically valid. Also wifi and cell use different wave forms and spectrum...
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Linklist Premium join:2002-03-03 Longport, NJ kudos:5	reply to Morac said by Morac: And I didn't say wifi was "so damaging", I just said it's possible it can affect people differently (if at all). I can eat peanuts all day and they won't bother me, but give a molecule of peanut to someone with a severe nut allergy and that person will die within minutes. So are peanuts harmless? I find your analogy about peanuts interesting. Unfortunately we are seeing the same sort of regulatory demands from fanatics over WiFi as we see with peanuts. Government, especially schools, have over-reacted to the issue of peanut allergies to the extent that they demand parents refuse to allow their kids to bring PB&Jelly sandwiches to schools on the chance that a molecule of peanut aroma get in to the air and send the 1 in 10,000 dangerously affected with peanut allergies in to shock. Now I feel sorry for those affected, but why should 9,999 be denied a safe product because 1 is horribly affected by it. That 1 in 10,000 should be sent for home schooling and if they refuse, they should suffer the consequences as that will improve the gene pool. Now I don't buy in to the theories that WiFi has some bad effect on some people. But even if it were true, I don't care. They will just have to adjust their life to the reality that Wifi might affect a few and if so, those few will have to live in a Faraday cage. -- »www.mittromney.com/s/repeal-and-···bamacare »www.mittromney.com/issues/health-care
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Morac Cat god join:2001-08-30 Riverside, NJ kudos:1 Reviews: ·Comcast	reply to danclan Again, it's impossible to prove something is harmless. The fact that you believe otherwise, means you don't know how the scientific process works. BTW, that's also why gravity is still a "theory". Also saying that simply because WiFi radiation doesn't cause damage because it's too low to cause tissue to heat up, ignores that there are other ways to affect the body. The body is bio-electrical and RF energy does induce electric current. I found the following article interesting: »joneakes.com/jons-fixit-database···e-debate -- The Comcast Disney Avatar has been retired.
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danclan join:2005-11-01 Midlothian, VA	said by Morac: Again, it's impossible to prove something is harmless. The fact that you believe otherwise, means you don't know how the scientific process works. BTW, that's also why gravity is still a "theory". Also saying that simply because WiFi radiation doesn't cause damage because it's too low to cause tissue to heat up, ignores that there are other ways to affect the body. The body is bio-electrical and RF energy does induce electric current. I found the following article interesting: »joneakes.com/jons-fixit-database···e-debate You completely don't understand what a scientific theory is..... Gravity is demonstrable as is evolution and pythagoreans...yet they are theories...why? cause they are demonstrable and repeatable. I am completely comfortable in the knowledge that wifi is 100% harmless to me, my cats, dogs, kids, trees, plants and other living things in and around my home.
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danclan join:2005-11-01 Midlothian, VA	reply to Linklist wait...wut! I didn't think republicans used science to validate!
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Robotics See You On The Dark Side Premium join:2003-10-23 Louisa, VA	reply to Morac I like this...well put!
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Morac Cat god join:2001-08-30 Riverside, NJ kudos:1 Reviews: ·Comcast	reply to danclan said by danclan: Gravity is demonstrable as is evolution and pythagoreans...yet they are theories...why? cause they are demonstrable and repeatable. round my home. Until some better explanation comes along to replace them.. Just a few theories, that turns out to be wrong (or simply got replaced) -- The Comcast Disney Avatar has been retired.
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danclan join:2005-11-01 Midlothian, VA	OK you keep stretching there since there is so much wrong with that list of wrong "theories" that I just give up ..... and the superseded list shows you just why some theories hold up...they ARE DEMONSTRABLE AND REPEATABLE...and why other were just crackpot science that couldn't be and were tossed to scientific waste bin......so if nothing else you are good for laugh and sigh..enjoy your weekend.
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Henry McK @md.us	reply to danclan I have to ask are you referring to the 2.4GHz-5.8GHz signal or are you talking about the power level the signal is at? The reason I ask is because Microwave ovens work at 2.4Ghz, and they are not 100% harmless, so you would have to be talking about the power level the 2.4GHz signal is radiating at. Do I believe WiFi is causing this lady's problems? No, I don't because with the number of devices already in her area the symptoms would have shown up a long time ago. Should investigations be done? Maybe but only if it comes to it. In all I think she may have other medical issues, and these should be examined also.
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CXM_Splicer Looking at the bigger picture Premium join:2011-08-11 NYC kudos:1 Reviews: ·Verizon FiOS	reply to danclan Sorry but Morac is absolutely right... you cannot scientifically prove something is safe. You can test it for a specific effect under specific conditions but the absence of that particular effect doesn't prove it is safe from any effect under any condition. The smoking analogy is an example... is it your belief that smoking was proven to be safe by all the studies that didn't find it harmful? Then when some study showed it was harmful it suddenly became harmful? This is ridiculous. Unfortunately, just as there are still people who insist smoking is not unhealthy in the slightest, and that global warming isn't really happening, there would be people who claim WiFi/cellular is perfectly safe even if there was sufficient scientific proof to the contrary. Your autism information is also incorrect. Autism is known to have both genetic and environmental factors. If it were completely genetic as you suggest, then every identical twin of an autistic person would have a 100% probability of being autistic. This is not the case.
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CXM_Splicer Looking at the bigger picture Premium join:2011-08-11 NYC kudos:1 Reviews: ·Verizon FiOS	reply to Linklist I have had that exact same discussion with my GF who is a grade school teacher. My feeling is if these kids are that sensitive then it probably isn't smart for them to be in public at all. There is simply no way to control a public or even semi-public environment to the necessary degree. Apparently, from the District's point of view, it boils down to a question of inconvenience... how much of a hardship is it really for kids not to have nuts/peanut butter in school? Not much apparently. The more interesting question (to me at least) is what the hell is causing this allergy? This was unheard of when I was in school, now kids die from it?!?! And the incidence rate seems to be increasing. Probably WiFi related
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Trencher join:2007-02-12 Etobicoke, ON	reply to Morac I think the WHO should update the website to say stupidity could cause cancer as well, because you know.. there's no way to disprove it.
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danclan join:2005-11-01 Midlothian, VA	reply to CXM_Splicer No and no. You can prove something is safe its done all the time. What you are doing now is splitting hairs. What they don't typically do is say 100% that is correct. They will say 99% but never 100 as there could be some remote chance that has not been taken into account. But that's always to hedge bets. We could all pull examples out of ass's of studies on this or that that prove this or that, the bottom line in this case is still that wifi is safe it wont harm you or your kids or your cats or plants it simply wont. I stand by my autism information. There is no evidence of environmental factors causing autism. This is ONLY statistical studies that say environmental factors MAY correlate to causing it but that they have not found any direct link between the environment or any specific external external cause to autism. It remains to be seen if there is any and what they may or may not be.
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CXM_Splicer Looking at the bigger picture Premium join:2011-08-11 NYC kudos:1 Reviews: ·Verizon FiOS	quote: the bottom line in this case is still that wifi is safe it wont harm you or your kids or your cats or plants it simply wont. Very well, then it should be a simple matter for you to cite the study(ies) that prove this... please do. quote: I stand by my autism information. There is no evidence of environmental factors causing autism. 'Standing by' blatantly incorrect information is not a valid defense. The situation with identical twins is irrefutable evidence of an environmental component. You would be correct to say they have not yet been identified but to say they don't exist is denialism. said by Wikipedia : Since heritability is less than 100% and symptoms vary markedly among identical twins with autism, environmental factors are most likely a significant cause as well. If some of the risk is due to gene-environment interaction the 90% heritability estimate may be too high; new twin data and models with structural genetic variation are needed. If autism was purely genetic, it would have a 100% correlation in identical twins (or extremely close to this). When studies factor out twins with different spectral diagnoses and completely different environments, the genetic factor drops to between 30-40%. Please explain this under your 100% genetic theory which you stand by.
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Nick_L Premium join:2003-01-22 Pittsburgh, PA	reply to Morac said by Morac: BTW, that's also why gravity is still a "theory". Did you hear that? That was your credibility (what little you had) flying out the window.
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Morac Cat god join:2001-08-30 Riverside, NJ kudos:1 Reviews: ·Comcast	said by Nick_L: said by Morac: BTW, that's also why gravity is still a "theory". Did you hear that? That was your credibility (what little you had) flying out the window. See that, it's your ignorance showing. »ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/ESSA···ein.html »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitatio···vitation »answers.yahoo.com/question/index···5AAwEBXl -- The Comcast Disney Avatar has been retired.
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