Re: Radio waves, not bacteria -

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Morac Cat god join:2001-08-30 Riverside, NJ kudos:1 Reviews: ·Comcast	reply to DabberDan Re: Radio waves, not bacteria said by DabberDan: > She went to the doctor in late May with an ear infection, which required antibiotics to cure. The last time I checked, Wi-Fi created radio waves not bacteria. According to this web site, ear infections can be caused by WiFi (and Microwave towers). Here's the complete list of ailments "caused" by WiFi: •Heart flutters •Many severe headaches and Migraines •Nose bleeds •Problems sleeping •Itchy burning skin •Severe depression •Learning problems •Trouble concentrating •Behavioral disorders such as Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD) •Extremely high and extremely low Blood Pressure •Medicines stop working as well, so prescriptions have to increase •Irregular Heart Rhythms •Sudden Heart Attacks and Strokes happening in younger and younger people •More Brain diseases such as Alzheimer‘s, Parkinson's, •Motor Neurone Disease and Epilepsy •More Cancers, Leukaemia and Brain Tumours •Chronic fatigue •Anxiety •Ringing in the ears (Tinnitus) - There's a study which shows cell phone usage may increase the chance of getting this. •Increased number of infections, colds, allergies and viruses •Unexplained nerve and body pain Not that I think it's related to WiFi, since I've had WiFi for 10+ years (though I recently added a 5GHz router), but I actually developed two of the things on that list (Irregular Heart Rhythms (PVCs) and Tinnitus) over the last 2 years for which there is no apparent cause. Most agree that there are no short term effects to WiFi/Cell/etc exposure, but we don't really know the long term effect because there haven't really been any long term studies. Of the few studies that were done, the sample size was too small to say one way or the other. The only large study was to see if cell phone usage causes tumors (which it doesn't), but that study wasn't looking for anything else. There has been a steady increase in the number of mental disabilities in the country (autism is a good example), so who know. -- The Comcast Disney Avatar has been retired.
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Chubbysumo join:2009-12-01 Superior, WI Reviews: ·Charter	unless any of this can be explicitly(as in, cause and effect proof of a study, with no variables, meaning the study was held in long term in a Faraday cage, and all foods and everything else was also there, eliminating all sources of artificial EM waves effect on foods, cloths, water, ect., ect., as well as eliminating all natural sources) linked to EM waves of any kind, its all fear mongering. Its not the first time people have used fear mongering to achieve a goal. the most famous one that is still used today is "for the children". This whole thing gave me a laugh, not only for the scale of the lawsuit, but for the lawyer actually taking it, and filing it for that much. I hope this gets tossed as frivolous, because if it does not, its sets a bad example, and a terrible precedent.
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danclan join:2005-11-01 Midlothian, VA	reply to Morac said by Morac: There has been a steady increase in the number of mental disabilities in the country (autism is a good example), so who know. (I don't mean this a personal attack so lets get started) Well for one science. We know for a fact that the radio signal involved with wi-fi is 100% harmless. Science has shown this..... repeatedly. You are exposed to far more dangerous chemical and radiological energy than your wifi router will ever be capable of putting out. Right now there are thousands of scientists weeping. The study you cite on tinnitus pretty much says nothing and says so in the summary that well for this research we can draw no conclusions other than "maybe". The study of 100 people was for far to short and didnt take into consideration prior listening activities or whether they were exposed to other ear trauma like concerts or job related noise. It also doesn't take into account the significant increase in the use of earbud headphones and the direct damage of playing them can do. If wifi was so damaging we would have literally millions of cases more of various maladies and lab mice would be dying by the truck loads after being subjected to wifi at far stronger intensity than our home routers...but we don't. Autism is a genetic disorder that has a massive body or research behind that that has not linked it to external variables such as wifi or other just as stupid theory, vaccines. Lets all keep our heads and use science as our ruler. Im sure ill be seen as ranting but seriously your wifi is harmless and will forever be. Go out side and get a sunburn, its far more dangerous to you.
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Morac Cat god join:2001-08-30 Riverside, NJ kudos:1 Reviews: ·Comcast	said by danclan: Well for one science. We know for a fact that the radio signal involved with wi-fi is 100% harmless. Science has shown this..... repeatedly. Actually no it hasn't. Studies so far have been unable to find any links between WiFi and health problems. That's different then saying it's been proven harmless. There's no way to prove WiFi is harmless. Science can't prove something doesn't happen. Semantics, maybe, but that's the way science works. That's why the World Health Organization stated that it's possible cell phone usage can cause cancer, because it's impossible to prove with a shadow of a doubt that it does not. And I didn't say wifi was "so damaging", I just said it's possible it can affect people differently (if at all). I can eat peanuts all day and they won't bother me, but give a molecule of peanut to someone with a severe nut allergy and that person will die within minutes. So are peanuts harmless? -- The Comcast Disney Avatar has been retired.
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danclan join:2005-11-01 Midlothian, VA 2 edits	actually science has. That people keep attempting to link it to it is laughable. Its a great source of funding grants even though its well known that the spectrum involved with WIFI has shown no effect on cellular activity of any kind. The WHO statement was slammed by many a reputable scientist around the world for being foolish and not scientifically valid. Also wifi and cell use different wave forms and spectrum...
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Linklist Premium join:2002-03-03 Longport, NJ kudos:5	reply to Morac said by Morac: And I didn't say wifi was "so damaging", I just said it's possible it can affect people differently (if at all). I can eat peanuts all day and they won't bother me, but give a molecule of peanut to someone with a severe nut allergy and that person will die within minutes. So are peanuts harmless? I find your analogy about peanuts interesting. Unfortunately we are seeing the same sort of regulatory demands from fanatics over WiFi as we see with peanuts. Government, especially schools, have over-reacted to the issue of peanut allergies to the extent that they demand parents refuse to allow their kids to bring PB&Jelly sandwiches to schools on the chance that a molecule of peanut aroma get in to the air and send the 1 in 10,000 dangerously affected with peanut allergies in to shock. Now I feel sorry for those affected, but why should 9,999 be denied a safe product because 1 is horribly affected by it. That 1 in 10,000 should be sent for home schooling and if they refuse, they should suffer the consequences as that will improve the gene pool. Now I don't buy in to the theories that WiFi has some bad effect on some people. But even if it were true, I don't care. They will just have to adjust their life to the reality that Wifi might affect a few and if so, those few will have to live in a Faraday cage. -- »www.mittromney.com/s/repeal-and-···bamacare »www.mittromney.com/issues/health-care
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Morac Cat god join:2001-08-30 Riverside, NJ kudos:1 Reviews: ·Comcast	reply to danclan Again, it's impossible to prove something is harmless. The fact that you believe otherwise, means you don't know how the scientific process works. BTW, that's also why gravity is still a "theory". Also saying that simply because WiFi radiation doesn't cause damage because it's too low to cause tissue to heat up, ignores that there are other ways to affect the body. The body is bio-electrical and RF energy does induce electric current. I found the following article interesting: »joneakes.com/jons-fixit-database···e-debate -- The Comcast Disney Avatar has been retired.
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danclan join:2005-11-01 Midlothian, VA	said by Morac: Again, it's impossible to prove something is harmless. The fact that you believe otherwise, means you don't know how the scientific process works. BTW, that's also why gravity is still a "theory". Also saying that simply because WiFi radiation doesn't cause damage because it's too low to cause tissue to heat up, ignores that there are other ways to affect the body. The body is bio-electrical and RF energy does induce electric current. I found the following article interesting: »joneakes.com/jons-fixit-database···e-debate You completely don't understand what a scientific theory is..... Gravity is demonstrable as is evolution and pythagoreans...yet they are theories...why? cause they are demonstrable and repeatable. I am completely comfortable in the knowledge that wifi is 100% harmless to me, my cats, dogs, kids, trees, plants and other living things in and around my home.
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danclan join:2005-11-01 Midlothian, VA	reply to Linklist wait...wut! I didn't think republicans used science to validate!
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Robotics See You On The Dark Side Premium join:2003-10-23 Louisa, VA	reply to Morac I like this...well put!
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Morac Cat god join:2001-08-30 Riverside, NJ kudos:1 Reviews: ·Comcast	reply to danclan said by danclan: Gravity is demonstrable as is evolution and pythagoreans...yet they are theories...why? cause they are demonstrable and repeatable. round my home. Until some better explanation comes along to replace them.. Just a few theories, that turns out to be wrong (or simply got replaced) -- The Comcast Disney Avatar has been retired.
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danclan join:2005-11-01 Midlothian, VA	OK you keep stretching there since there is so much wrong with that list of wrong "theories" that I just give up ..... and the superseded list shows you just why some theories hold up...they ARE DEMONSTRABLE AND REPEATABLE...and why other were just crackpot science that couldn't be and were tossed to scientific waste bin......so if nothing else you are good for laugh and sigh..enjoy your weekend.
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InvalidError join:2008-02-03 kudos:5	reply to Chubbysumo said by Chubbysumo: as well as eliminating all natural sources Eliminating ALL natural sources would be very bad for your health: water molecules are dipoles with resonant frequency in the neighborhood of 2.5GHz. Preventing them from emitting weak RF would require dropping your body temperature to cryogenic levels, which would leave you with a lethal case of hypothermia and frostbite. I think I'll make-do with my daily dose of H2O RF radiation.
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Henry McK @md.us	reply to danclan I have to ask are you referring to the 2.4GHz-5.8GHz signal or are you talking about the power level the signal is at? The reason I ask is because Microwave ovens work at 2.4Ghz, and they are not 100% harmless, so you would have to be talking about the power level the 2.4GHz signal is radiating at. Do I believe WiFi is causing this lady's problems? No, I don't because with the number of devices already in her area the symptoms would have shown up a long time ago. Should investigations be done? Maybe but only if it comes to it. In all I think she may have other medical issues, and these should be examined also.
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CXM_Splicer Looking at the bigger picture Premium join:2011-08-11 NYC kudos:1 Reviews: ·Verizon FiOS	reply to danclan Sorry but Morac is absolutely right... you cannot scientifically prove something is safe. You can test it for a specific effect under specific conditions but the absence of that particular effect doesn't prove it is safe from any effect under any condition. The smoking analogy is an example... is it your belief that smoking was proven to be safe by all the studies that didn't find it harmful? Then when some study showed it was harmful it suddenly became harmful? This is ridiculous. Unfortunately, just as there are still people who insist smoking is not unhealthy in the slightest, and that global warming isn't really happening, there would be people who claim WiFi/cellular is perfectly safe even if there was sufficient scientific proof to the contrary. Your autism information is also incorrect. Autism is known to have both genetic and environmental factors. If it were completely genetic as you suggest, then every identical twin of an autistic person would have a 100% probability of being autistic. This is not the case.
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en103 join:2011-05-02 Reviews: ·RoadRunner Cable	reply to InvalidError 1. How do you know they're not using 5GHz wifi ? 2. How is this different than.... a) Her neighbor's WiFi (I pick up more than 6 from my house) - they're supposedly using low powered WiFi as well b) McDonald's, the Malls, even the local hospital here (Kaiser in SoCal) uses WiFi network in the hospital c) Almost any business Its just the cities parking meters ??
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elwoodblues Elwood Blues Premium join:2006-08-30 HarperLand	reply to Morac Huh what? Concentration issues, typing this on my playbook in the backyard, using WiFi.
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CXM_Splicer Looking at the bigger picture Premium join:2011-08-11 NYC kudos:1 Reviews: ·Verizon FiOS	reply to Linklist I have had that exact same discussion with my GF who is a grade school teacher. My feeling is if these kids are that sensitive then it probably isn't smart for them to be in public at all. There is simply no way to control a public or even semi-public environment to the necessary degree. Apparently, from the District's point of view, it boils down to a question of inconvenience... how much of a hardship is it really for kids not to have nuts/peanut butter in school? Not much apparently. The more interesting question (to me at least) is what the hell is causing this allergy? This was unheard of when I was in school, now kids die from it?!?! And the incidence rate seems to be increasing. Probably WiFi related
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Trencher join:2007-02-12 Etobicoke, ON	reply to Morac I think the WHO should update the website to say stupidity could cause cancer as well, because you know.. there's no way to disprove it.
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danclan join:2005-11-01 Midlothian, VA	reply to CXM_Splicer No and no. You can prove something is safe its done all the time. What you are doing now is splitting hairs. What they don't typically do is say 100% that is correct. They will say 99% but never 100 as there could be some remote chance that has not been taken into account. But that's always to hedge bets. We could all pull examples out of ass's of studies on this or that that prove this or that, the bottom line in this case is still that wifi is safe it wont harm you or your kids or your cats or plants it simply wont. I stand by my autism information. There is no evidence of environmental factors causing autism. This is ONLY statistical studies that say environmental factors MAY correlate to causing it but that they have not found any direct link between the environment or any specific external external cause to autism. It remains to be seen if there is any and what they may or may not be.
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