 The LimitPremium join:2007-09-25 Greensboro, NC kudos:2 Reviews:
·Windstream
| reply to tshirt
Re: If the DOJ was really doing its job ...so, I guess having the choice between ridiculously capped LTE, cable service, FIOS (in very select markets), muni FTTH (in very select markets), or slow dsl service should be the alternative?
I don't even comprehend why you think taking one step forward and two steps back is a good idea. Even though upgrading areas to FTTH would be costly, long term the profits are there. At least, that's what I've researched and read thus far. I have limited knowledge based on wireless, and I do know that those limits are reached faster than wireline infrastructure. So sure, cheaper now, but what about later? -- "We will evaluate these integrals rigorously if we can, and non-rigorously if we must". ---Victor Moll, invited talk, Tom Osler Fest (April 17, 2010) |
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 tshirtPremium,MVM join:2004-07-11 Snohomish, WA kudos:3 Reviews:
·Comcast
| said by The Limit:...so, I guess having the choice between ridiculously capped LTE, cable service, FIOS (in very select markets), muni FTTH (in very select markets), or slow dsl service should be the alternative?
I'm saying you have no choice unless you can convience V or T that putting money into FTTH everywhere is better for their stockholders longterm interest than putting some of that into LTE networks. and I think the time is passed when you as a bystander can yell "I WANT xxxx, NOW" and expect to be listened to, now that the descion is made, your only voice would be by becoming a stockholder and convincing many/most other stockholders that running from fiber IS the big mistake.
V and T's wireline obligations are to provide dialtone service, not broadband. if you want to increase that obligation expect to pay a much higher share of the price of providing it. |
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 The LimitPremium join:2007-09-25 Greensboro, NC kudos:2 Reviews:
·Windstream
| You assume that I have stock options like that available at my disposal, not to mention I'm not exactly rolling in the dough either as I wrap up the chapter that is college education. Believe me, if I had the money, I would have already started my own local ISP so that people could have options. I've done a ton of reading, and I know what it takes and how many hours I would be working.
Being a stockholder isn't financially viable at this point in time. -- "We will evaluate these integrals rigorously if we can, and non-rigorously if we must". ---Victor Moll, invited talk, Tom Osler Fest (April 17, 2010) |
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 The LimitPremium join:2007-09-25 Greensboro, NC kudos:2 Reviews:
·Windstream
| reply to tshirt And if that's the case, then I'll pay more knowing that broadband service is guaranteed and regulated like a utility, if that's what you are assuming. I'm sure many here wouldn't be opposed to it, but I feel like that's a slippery slope there. Why charge oodles more? What's the point? I mean, at some point in time, it's going to be "if you expect ::insert random reason here::, then pay up!" I'm glad the power industry didn't devolve into this (for the most part at least). -- "We will evaluate these integrals rigorously if we can, and non-rigorously if we must". ---Victor Moll, invited talk, Tom Osler Fest (April 17, 2010) |
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 tshirtPremium,MVM join:2004-07-11 Snohomish, WA kudos:3 Reviews:
·Comcast
| said by The Limit:And if that's the case, then I'll pay more knowing that broadband service is guaranteed and regulated like a utility, if that's what you are assuming. And that's ok too (but if you thought a few shares of stock were expensive....... this could really scare you) BUT be realistic what the risks and the costs and obligations YOU and ALL your neighbor must first learn about then agree on, then elect a body to administer it, who must, then find a reputable build to design , build and run it. all that takes a lot of time and money out before SOMETIME down the road you begin to see broadband. to do this on a county, state or national level you'll have to add in to your plan ways to serve and pay for both the simple and realitivily cheap urban and suburban market as well as the truely rural, and all the different consitiuancies rich and poor, those determined to have the uber connection as well as those who only get one email a week.
Utility service also imply EVERY dwelling must be served and therefore be responsible for their connection cost( even if financed by your public utility over many years) very hard to convince SOME rate payers who currently struggle with mortgage and property taxes to add $1000's to their debt load. |
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 The LimitPremium join:2007-09-25 Greensboro, NC kudos:2 Reviews:
·Windstream
| Ok, so for a rough estimate, lets say that the average cost to run FTTH to my house would be $5000, which is conservative. Finance that over a period of 10 years.
That's roughly $42 a month. Ok, so the infrastructure is there. Now focus on support and maintenance costs. I'm not sure how much to add, but it can't be much more. Just a guess, add something like $25 per user per month. That's roughly $67 a month. These figures are to purely break even. Add like $10-15 per user per month. That still comes out to be around $82 per month. That's with profit included.
I'm still a newb at these things, but people are willing to pay top dollar for wireless service. Some (and I'm sure MANY) are willing to pay this price to provide service to the home.
And remember, that's if said user doesn't have the money upfront for infrastructure costs. Eliminate that, and you come out cheaper than what most ISPs charge. It's a win for the customer and for the business the way I see it. -- "We will evaluate these integrals rigorously if we can, and non-rigorously if we must". ---Victor Moll, invited talk, Tom Osler Fest (April 17, 2010) |
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 tshirtPremium,MVM join:2004-07-11 Snohomish, WA kudos:3 Reviews:
·Comcast
2 edits | BTW you forgot to actually add the financing costs in there, so on a 30 year loan with full colateral (like a mortgage) you can expect to pay 2-5 to 3 times the cost over that time. since you are an unknown, with no assets, and what you are building may or maynot have resale value I would guess around the same sort of cost for your shorter term. $42*3=$126 or $82*3=$246 so a fixed wireless or cable plan* doesn't look all that bad anymore for a zero risk, month to month user.
*using comcast cap and potential overages as a model here |
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 tshirtPremium,MVM join:2004-07-11 Snohomish, WA kudos:3 Reviews:
·Comcast
| reply to The Limit Sounds like a plan, incorparate, start raising money and everyone will be using your fiber plant in no time. Turns out this whole broadband thing is much simpler then anyone knew. Next up, space flight, maybe it's not rocket science after all.  |
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 The LimitPremium join:2007-09-25 Greensboro, NC kudos:2 | reply to tshirt Ah yea, that's right. Financial backing may be a problem when starting out with no money unfortunately. |
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 The LimitPremium join:2007-09-25 Greensboro, NC kudos:2 | reply to tshirt Hahaha. I like your style. |
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