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 Link LoggerPremium,MVM join:2001-03-29 Calgary, AB kudos:3 | reply to norwegian
Re: WikiLeaks.org is crippled under a massive DDoS. said by norwegian:In fact Swedish govt has so far rejected opportunity to sit and discuss the case with Julian in the embassy. I find that very strange when it is standard due process. Standard due process, who's standard due process??
Blake -- Vendor: Author of Link Logger which is a traffic analysis and firewall logging tool | |  Link LoggerPremium,MVM join:2001-03-29 Calgary, AB kudos:3 | reply to Name Game I'm surprised anyone knows that WikiLeaks.org is being DOS'ed, as I thought their 15 minutes of spotlight was long over.
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Re: WikiLeaks.org is crippled under a massive DDoS. said by Link Logger:Standard due process, who's standard due process??
Blake Good point, what I consider due process, might not be for another country...and as I'm neither traveled nor a legal person, you can take my words any way you want but here is a little food for thought:
The doctrine of specialty is also often applied even when not specifically stated in a treaty. It means that once a person has been surrendered, he or she can be prosecuted or punished only for the crimes for which extradition was requested, and not for any other crimes committed prior to the surrender. The doctrine was first established over a hundred years ago, in United States v. Rauscher, 119 U.S. 407, 7 S. Ct. 234, 30 L. Ed. 425 (1886). In Rauscher, the defendant, a U.S. citizen, was extradited from Great Britain for the beating death of a ship's crew member on a U.S. vessel but was indicted and tried on a charge of Cruel and Unusual Punishment based on the same act. Although the specialty principle was not specifically enumerated in the treaty that allowed the extradition, the U.S. Supreme Court held that an accused "shall not be arrested or tried for any other offense than that with which he was charged in those proceedings."
Extradition treaties often provide exceptions under which a nation can refuse to surrender a fugitive sought by another nation. Many nations will not extradite persons charged with certain political offenses, such as Treason, Sedition, and Espionage. Refusal to extradite under such circumstances is based on the policy that a nation that disagrees with or disapproves of another nation's political system will be reluctant to return for prosecution a dissident who likewise has been critical of the other nation. But, of course, not every criminal act will necessarily be protected. For example, some treaties provide that certain crimes, such as the assassination of a head of a foreign government, do not constitute political offenses that are exempt from extradition. The rise in airplane Hijacking, Terrorism, and hostage taking in the late twentieth century led many nations to enter into multilateral conventions in which the signing countries mutually agreed to extradite individuals who committed such crimes.
Since the 1980s, the international extradition process has been viewed by law enforcement authorities as too time-consuming, expensive, and complicated. It has also been criticized for frequently failing to bring fugitives to justice. As a result, some countries, including the United States, have turned to abduction to return a fugitive to a nation to be tried. Although its legality is questionable, abduction »legal-dictionary.thefreedictiona···radition
So according to that, Frodo seems to be the closest with facts to date in regards to how Julian is to be processed.
However jumping back n forth in both discussions here seems to help split the truths, and now it seems to be there to discuss these questions, so maybe this one needs to be locked, as the mods have not taken advice to hand, and we will discuss twice it seems. -- The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke
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