bbhog
join:2010-07-05
North York, ON | [Cable] Aggregated POI Are there any plans in place to move to the future Aggregated POI architecture? I remember hearing it will be replacing the York Mills POI, but any soft dates in place for the plans? |
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 TwiztedZeroNine Zero Burp Nine SixPremium
join:2011-03-31
Toronto, ON
kudos:3 | You know full well if you've read the tariff papers re: CRTC and other threads on this forum board...
Aggreated POI's will come about in around two years time.
quit heckling! |
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 HiVoltPremium
join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
kudos:17 | You never know.. things might change, especially if Rogers insists of holding back faster speeds unless you go aggregated. TekSavvy could be at a significant disadvantage if other TPIA ISP's go aggregated. So far it's just been one. |
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brad
join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | said by HiVolt:You never know.. things might change, especially if Rogers insists of holding back faster speeds unless you go aggregated. TekSavvy could be at a significant disadvantage if other TPIA ISP's go aggregated. So far it's just been one.
It would also put them at a significant disadvantage for pricing by switching to aggregated. |
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Reviews:
 ·Start Communicat..
| Funny, I don't seem to pay significantly more and I'm on Start, who has aggregated.
Tek...
TekSavvy Extreme Cable 28 28Mb/1Mb 300GB $46.95
Start...
Advanced Cable Internet 28 Mbps 1 Mbps 300 GB $49.95 |
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HiVoltPremium
join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
kudos:17 | Yeah not that much difference in price... |
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bt
join:2009-02-26
canada
kudos:1 Reviews:
·Start Communicat..
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said by daeron:Funny, I don't seem to pay significantly more and I'm on Start, who has aggregated.
Start doesn't have the initial investment in the individual POI's to recover. |
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brad
join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | reply to daeron
said by daeron:Funny, I don't seem to pay significantly more and I'm on Start, who has aggregated.
Until TSI actually adjusts their rates to compensate for the aggregated POI you have no basis of comparison.
Also Start doesn't even have an unlimited option so they're not even in the picture. |
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Reviews:
 ·WIND Mobile
 ·TekSavvy Cable
·TekSavvy DSL
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said by daeron:Funny, I don't seem to pay significantly more and I'm on Start, who has aggregated.
Tek...
TekSavvy Extreme Cable 28 28Mb/1Mb 300GB $46.95
Start...
Advanced Cable Internet 28 Mbps 1 Mbps 300 GB $49.95
Over a year that's 36 bucks.... better in my pocket than someone else's! |
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said by bt:Start doesn't have the initial investment in the individual POI's to recover. Except that the longer they stick with non-aggregated, the more they will be spending on upgrading individual POIs with increasingly less time to recover those costs as the cut-off date gets closer... little more than a year left now unless TPIAs manage to get an extension either from the CRTC or directly from Rogers. |
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| I can see a lot of administrative delays just to change the vlan or whatever they use even when the transits/links are all ready to go.
Without a transition time where both aggregated and non-aggregated can co-exist for the same ISP, not even sure how they are supposed to go forward. It is not like Rogers can instantaneously flip a switch to enable the new network connections and move all the subscribers all at once at the stroke of midnight before everything turns into a pumpkin. |
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 andybPremium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario
kudos:1
·TekSavvy DSL
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Currently there is a request into the CRTC to have it extended as some POI links will still have a year or more left on them and rogers will demand termination fee's so the CRTC has asked the parties for a list of fee's etc to try and get this settled |
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Depends on personal needs, I personally have never come close to going over 300GB, so works well for me. |
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brad
join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | said by daeron:Depends on personal needs, I personally have never come close to going over 300GB, so works well for me.
That's you, but for a lot of TSI customers and customers of Distributel/Acanac for example it is pretty important. |
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 mlernerPremium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5 | reply to HiVolt
said by HiVolt:Yeah not that much difference in price...
For now, since Start probably doesn't have many customers and their cap is 300 GB max, they might not have had the need to increase prices.
Just warning you all, if Start gets popular like TekSavvy, prices could go much higher. It happened exactly like that with TekSavvy. |
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said by Ott_Cable :It is not like Rogers can instantaneously flip a switch to enable the new network connections and move all the subscribers all at once at the stroke of midnight before everything turns into a pumpkin. If Rogers was reasonably competent with network engineering, all it would require is a VLAN switch that would be almost completely transparent to end-users.
BTW, Rogers does does not mind having ISPs with both aggregated and non-aggregated POIs. What Rogers does not want to do is mix aggregated and non-aggregated access from the same ISP on individual POIs. ISPs can request migration to aggregated on a POI-per-POI basis. |
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brad
join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | said by InvalidError:If Rogers was reasonably competent with network engineering, all it would require is a VLAN switch that would be almost completely transparent to end-users.
It is more likely that the real issue isn't whether they're competent with network engineering or not but what their internal process is like. You could have the most perfectly engineered network with a situation where it is a proverbial flip of the switch be held up internal process that turns such a relatively simple task into a multiple hour if not multiple day task. |
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| said by brad:It is more likely that the real issue isn't whether they're competent with network engineering or not but what their internal process is like. I would generally expect a company with competent network engineering to have similarly competent administrative process engineering. Excellence in one without the other is a largely wasted effort. |
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bt
join:2009-02-26
canada
kudos:1 Reviews:
·Start Communicat..
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said by InvalidError:said by bt:Start doesn't have the initial investment in the individual POI's to recover. Except that the longer they stick with non-aggregated, the more they will be spending on upgrading individual POIs with increasingly less time to recover those costs as the cut-off date gets closer... little more than a year left now unless TPIAs manage to get an extension either from the CRTC or directly from Rogers. Oh, I agree it's a definite balancing act. But IIRC, weren't the costs to light up a POI notably more than the costs to increase capacity on one already lit up? |
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bt
join:2009-02-26
canada
kudos:1 Reviews:
·Start Communicat..
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said by brad:Also Start doesn't even have an unlimited option so they're not even in the picture.
They do.... but only on the 6/256 as far as cable in Rogers areas goes right now.
It's also currently unmetered in Rogers areas, though that - and the potential addition of unlimited tiers - is expected to change soon. |
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