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brad

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

reply to ArrayList

Re: Throttling in the U.S.

said by ArrayList:

I thought US ISPs couldn't throttle beyond the max speed subscribed.

What you said doesn't even make sense.


ArrayList
netbus developer
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join:2005-03-19
Evanston, IL

you pay for X mbps, they cannot throttle you below that. sorry for the wording.



Throttlin

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FBGuy, this is not that type of throttling. The throttling discussed in this article is the kind that applies to specific types of internet traffic. For example, Rogers purposely slows down bit torrent traffic because bit torrent traffic inadvertently destroys kittens (at least I think that is Roger's position).



AVD
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Onion, NJ
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reply to ArrayList
read your tos. You subscribe for speeds "up to". there is no minimum speeds. The ToS also gives them rights to manage their network.
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ArrayList
netbus developer
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join:2005-03-19
Evanston, IL

Just read my TOS, nothing in there like what you are talking about.


brad

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

said by ArrayList:

Just read my TOS, nothing in there like what you are talking about.

It's in there.

brad

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

reply to ArrayList

said by ArrayList:

you pay for X mbps, they cannot throttle you below that. sorry for the wording.

And that doesn't make any sense. What would be the point of throttling if that were the case?


ArrayList
netbus developer
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join:2005-03-19
Evanston, IL

what is the point of throttling?



ArrayList
netbus developer
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Evanston, IL

reply to brad
it most definitely is not in there. but then again I don't have a residential connection.



AVD
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said by ArrayList:

it most definitely is not in there. but then again I don't have a residential connection.

unless you own the ISP, it is in there. Can you post a link to your ISP's ToS?
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brad

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

reply to ArrayList

said by ArrayList:

what is the point of throttling?

It is typically used as a means to try and reduce the amount of traffic from certain protocols or to certain sites through their network to overcome the lack of appropriate upgrades to their network to be able to handle the load at peak hours. This is especially an issue with cable networks but is also an issue with older DSL networks with ATM links to the DSLAMs.

Crookshanks

join:2008-02-04
Northeast PA
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reply to AVD
Here is Frontier's residential and business TOS. Additionally here is a page they have on network management. There's nothing in any of these pages about throttling. They do say that they reserve the right to ask you to upgrade to higher tiers of service if you exceed the limits (they don't currently have any, to the best of my knowledge) of your current tier. Two interesting points from the network management page:

As a result of explosive growth of the Internet and the availability of ever more sophisticated applications, per subscriber bandwidth consumption has dramatically increased. This causes periodic congestion in the network that Frontier must address. Generally, Frontier utilizes a best-efforts approach to deliver residential High Speed Internet service. This means Frontier does not prioritize one type of traffic (e.g. video) over other types (e.g. data). Frontier seeks to deliver all traffic at the speed the customer has purchased (e.g. 1/3/6 Mbps download speeds); network management is content and application agnostic.

Frontier uses network management tools to enforce quality of service to business customers for applications that are sensitive to packet loss, delay or jitter like VoIP, time sensitive data, and video traffic.



Oh_No
Trogglus normalus

join:2011-05-21
Chicago, IL

reply to brad

said by brad:

said by ArrayList:

I thought US ISPs couldn't throttle beyond the max speed subscribed.

What you said doesn't even make sense.

Technically, what he says makes perfect sense.
Your connection could support 100mbps, but if you buy 30 mbps then that is all you will get.
He could of said it differently to be clearer.


AVD
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Onion, NJ
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reply to Crookshanks

said by Crookshanks:

Here is Frontier's residential and business TOS. Additionally here is a page they have on network management. There's nothing in any of these pages about throttling. They do say that they reserve the right to ask you to upgrade to higher tiers of service if you exceed the limits (they don't currently have any, to the best of my knowledge) of your current tier. Two interesting points from the network management page:

As a result of explosive growth of the Internet and the availability of ever more sophisticated applications, per subscriber bandwidth consumption has dramatically increased. This causes periodic congestion in the network that Frontier must address. Generally, Frontier utilizes a best-efforts approach to deliver residential High Speed Internet service. This means Frontier does not prioritize one type of traffic (e.g. video) over other types (e.g. data). Frontier seeks to deliver all traffic at the speed the customer has purchased (e.g. 1/3/6 Mbps download speeds); network management is content and application agnostic.

Frontier uses network management tools to enforce quality of service to business customers for applications that are sensitive to packet loss, delay or jitter like VoIP, time sensitive data, and video traffic.

You bolded the wrong thing
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brad

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

reply to Oh_No

said by Oh_No:

Technically, what he says makes perfect sense.
Your connection could support 100mbps, but if you buy 30 mbps then that is all you will get.

That has nothing to do with the topic of throttling.

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