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echo
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join:2012-02-07
Combined Locks, WI

A/C help.

My A/C crapped out last week. Neither the fan nor the compessor run. The thermostat says "cool" but the unit does nothing. The relay does work. After looking at it, the capacitor's top is blown out-like a can of pop that was frozen. I assume that is the problem. I ordered one, but need advice from an expert as to whether these just fail, or something else could cause them to fail. Thanks in advance. I appreciate any help. Don


echo
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join:2012-02-07
Combined Locks, WI

sorry-I had zero idea this was asked 2 posts before mine.



jack b
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reply to echo
The visible bulging top, capacitor failure you describe is typical, and one of the most common. With a little luck, your problem will be solved simply by replacing it, the other poster you refer seems to be needing a new condenser motor.
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echo
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join:2012-02-07
Combined Locks, WI

TY-I'm hoping that's all it is. I appreciate the help.



tp0d
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Carnegie, PA
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A bad cap will open the circuit... make sure to get one rated the same.

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robbin
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join:2000-09-21
Leander, TX
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Probably a good idea to pick up a new contactor at the same time.



echo
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join:2012-02-07
Combined Locks, WI

The cap I ordered is rated the same. And what is a "contactor"? Is that the relay?? Thanks all.


robbin
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join:2000-09-21
Leander, TX
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A relay is basically a miniature contactor. You use contactors for high load applications. If you go in and ask for a 240 volt, 40 amp relay they will just look at you funny.



Lurch77
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Oconto, WI
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reply to echo
The cap should fix it for you. For future info, Dey Distributing in GB sells to people off the street. Cost will be more for you walking in off the street than ordering it online or getting the wholesale price, but if you can't wait.....


iknow
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join:2012-03-25

reply to robbin

said by robbin:

A relay is basically a miniature contactor. You use contactors for high load applications. If you go in and ask for a 240 volt, 40 amp relay they will just look at you funny.

this place calls them relays. »www.hascorelays.com/electro_hat_···ries.asp

robbin
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join:2000-09-21
Leander, TX
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That's cool, but go into the supply house and call them a relay. There went the discount!



Lurch77
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reply to iknow
Every single one of the wholesalers I frequent will call a contactor a contactor and a relay a relay. Though the specific definition is a gray area, people in the industry know the difference.

I do like this definition I found online, though.

quote:
I prefer a more pragmatic definition of Relay vs. Contactor. If, when you energize the device, it goes "click", then it's a relay. If it goes "clunk" then it's a contactor.
»www.control.com/thread/1026206176

iknow
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join:2012-03-25

reply to echo
anyway, the caps being used nowadays are inferior copies made in china, mexico, etc. you can get a quality made in U.S.A. cap if you look for it. they'll last much longer, so your motor will last much longer. if the cap blows and the fan sits without turning for too long, it can burn out.



leibold
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reply to Lurch77
For me the term relay was always a generic term for anything that opens or closes a contact in response to an electrical signal. Regardless whether it is a tiny reed relay or the huge relay (circuit switcher) in a utility substation.

That said, contactor is clearly the correct term to use for these types of relays in HVAC applications.
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reply to Lurch77
I did a brief stint in the "relay shop", and those relays definitely went "clunk".

OP, in normal civilian life a relay is typically something you'd find on a circuit board, where a contactor is a heavy component of a system.
It's also a regional terminology thing.
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Warner Robins, GA
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There are differences in and between relays and contactors. Contactors generally have contacts designed to close and open heavy inductive loads. Relays usually have contacts rated at a resistive load. That said, there are A/C motor start applications that use a relay, and those that use a motor starter (contactor)
The usual home A/C compressor is small enough to use either.

The Contactor may also have "Arc Chutes" and double contacts in series where a relay usually does not.

(Long ago, (70's) I actually worked for a division of GE that built relays and contactors. It was my first job after military service in Vietnam and the Far East.



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reply to echo

said by echo:

My A/C crapped out last week. Neither the fan nor the compessor run. The thermostat says "cool" but the unit does nothing. The relay does work. After looking at it, the capacitor's top is blown out-like a can of pop that was frozen. I assume that is the problem. I ordered one, but need advice from an expert as to whether these just fail, or something else could cause them to fail. Thanks in advance. I appreciate any help. Don

It's the CAP guaranteed. It has happened to me 3 or four times in the last 20 years in 2 different houses.

You are spot on.

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reply to echo

said by echo:

The cap I ordered is rated the same.

Keeping the capacitance value the same is mandatory, but if I'm replacing a failed cap, I look for one with a higher temperature and or voltage rating, that will fit in the same spot. After all, the original wasn't up to the task and the price difference is much less than the hassle of replacing it.
In this day of cost efficiency, sometimes things just get under spec'd.

Bob
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join:2012-07-22
New Jersey

reply to echo
How old is the unit? I would replace all the capacitors while you're in there.


SWLAWxGuy

join:2012-08-10
Lake Charles, LA

said by Bob:

How old is the unit? I would replace all the capacitors while you're in there.

+1 on replacing everything while you're in there, if you feel up to the task. Remember to kill the power at the box, first

When you're at the supply house, pick up a spare of everything. That's one of the first things I learned as a new homeowner - when it comes to the HVAC, and you have a wife, make sure you have as close to 100% uptime as is practicable.

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