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 IowaCowboyWant to go back to IowaPremium
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Springfield, MA | Lawrence, Kansas If Google fiber expanded into Lawrence, Kansas; then my cousin could get it.
Maybe google would be our last hope of getting FTTH in Springfield, MA since Verizon has all but given up on FiOS. | |
|  KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: Lawrence, Kansas I wonder how Google is selling this to its investors while Verizon's investors have talked down about FiOS almost constantly and is why FiOS is on indefinite roll out hold.
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kudos:3 | Re: Lawrence, Kansas This is still a small scale experiment compared to fios. | |
| | | | | | | Re: Lawrence, Kansas ATT and Cable Co's will attempt to stop Google at the Federal level whatever the cost may be. | |
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| Re: Lawrence, Kansas I think they would have a difficult legal case to do so. They have always said that they would tolerate new private competitors in their markets. The incumbent cable company, TWC?, in Kansas City said they would have competitive offerings to Google Fiber's offers once the Google Fiber service was actually servicing subscribers. The local phone company, AT&T?, mumbled something about possible future upgraded DSL offers. It seems like they have the future they thought would never happen, but always said they would accept. A future in which a new private wireline competitor enters the market with the money to build a new physical network. It would be pretty difficult to go running to a bunch of free market worshiping Republicans controlling the US House of Representatives and say you changed your mind and now want to ban other private companies from entering markets. The cities expenditure of funds to help the Google Fiber project might be an issue. Google offered in trade some Gigabit fiber connections to many of the cities facilities. Most Republicans would consider that a reasonable bartering exchange in the spirit of the public-private partnerships they advocate. If ALL the Fiberhoods exceed their minimum pre-registration sign up quotas, the savings on internet access costs for public facilities could mean a very large ROI on those cites expenditure of funds. Republicans would consider that a good thing. | |
| | | | |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Lawrence, Kansas Just remember what incumbents did to CLEC's who wanted to actually build out.
Oh there are many, MANY ways to dump monkey wrenches into the system.
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| Re: Lawrence, Kansas I thought that that involved actual facility and line sharing issues. The ILECs claimed the CLECs neglected their equipment, put in bad equipment, did not have properly trained technicians, wanted to put in equipment where it physically could not go, and did not pay their bills on time. The CLECs claimed negligent ILEC technicians damaged their equipment, that ILECs wanted unusual engineering requirements for co-location of equipment, that ILEC fees were several multiples higher than actual costs, and that ILECs failed to do customer transfers in a timely manner.
It seems to me the incumbents in the Google Fiber area have little ability to mess up Google Fiber since co-location and line sharing are not part of the Google Fiber business plan. I might be missing something they could do, but it would probably have to rise to the level a felony criminal action. I do not think many incumbent ISP employees want to go to state or federal prison just to cause Google Fiber service to be sabotaged or degraded. | |
| | | | | | | KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: Lawrence, Kansas as such they will use the legal and somewhat dirty route, they will lock customers into long term high ETF contracts by convincing them of marginal savings by doing so.
I am guessing in the KC Metro area TWC and AT&T call center employees have already had extensive training videos on how to deal with someone going to Google, And I am sure almost all of them involve first telling a person they will never need gigabit and then rattling on about sports channels and then claiming the 3yr contract is a good savings.
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| Re: Lawrence, Kansas Some residents, on the day Google Fiber pricing was announced, were reported to say that they would not be signing up for the regular Google Fiber Internet or Google Fiber Internet +TV because of the ETF costs of their existing contracts. Some of them indicated they might sign up for the Google 5/1 internet with the $300 installation fee and no monthly service charge just to keep their options open in the future.
If those people were worried about existing ETFs then the scenario you laid out is probably going to occur. I can imagine all the "free" stuff thrown in for year one of the 3 year contract. In year three all the "free" stuff gets real expensive and you have a very large ETF making people reluctant to break the contract. I always tell people that the cable companies always get the cost of the first couple months of freebies back during the last few months of the contract. It is like having a balloon payment on a mortgage. There are not any free lunches, just delayed payments. It will be amusing to watch the stuff they try to get away with. I know they are going to misrepresent their internet capabilities. For years the cable companies equated hybrid fiber coaxial cable systems with FTTH systems. They will confuse some people with that I am sure. And I am sure some will get confused on Gigabit vs Megabit and Gigabyte vs Megabyte. Somehow that confusion will be used to get cable sign ups. | |
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| | | | | | KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK | Easements and pole attachments. They have ways of making it hard, time consuming, and expensive. | |
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| Re: Lawrence, Kansas So Google goes where that behavior is not prevalent. There are probably plenty of communities in the USA where they would be welcomed. I can kill by cutting off the head, arms and legs or by a million small cuts. It does not matter much how the attitudes of the old ISPs and their protectors are changed, by 100,000 small communities or 100 big cities. Either strategy would likely produce an increasing large voting segment demanding that legislators and other officials reduce the capability to impede the advancement of affordable very high speed internet service. It might take a dozen years or more to do, bit I think it would eventually occur. | |
| | | | | | | | | KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Lawrence, Kansas I guess you are missing my point, part of the reason they went where they did was this exact reason.
However, my point is the existing competition can do things to slow down any such other party who is coming in, be it Google or anyone else.
I don't know of a single market in the USA where the existing incumbents would welcome Google with open arms. I'm sure that Google is already fighting as much resistance from these guys as they can throw at them, and it's making the project cost more money and take longer. This is SOP for incumbents.
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