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signmeuptoo
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How do I tell the difference between fireworks and gunshots?

I won't say where I live, but I live in a town relatively close to a pretty rough area. I realize some of what I hear many nights is probably fireworks, but sometimes I hear a bam bam, where the bams are one and one immediately after it, like someone shooting. I don't know if they are shooting in the air, maybe, there are some pretty scuzzy people down the street...

What concerns me is I don't go out at night, but soon I might have to, for work and/or school. I don't expect to get shot, but these idiots that fire guns up in the air, I've heard of the bullets coming back down and killing innocent people.

It happens frequently, like every 2 or 3 nights. There was a homeless encampment within hearing distance of here, I think the police went in and chased people off, but the homeless have to live SOMEWHERE, after all, short of killing themselves, they ARE human beings...

I know of one of my neighbors next door is a fireworks freak, because on the 5th there was a huge stack of garbage of fireworks after a night of nearly non stop explosions. And several other residents in other units in the area were letting off stuff too, it was a 3D experience, I've never experienced this other than in the Philippines on New Year (man, that is crazy, let me tell ya). But some of this stuff seems more like gunfire.

There are worse parts of town, this is not the worst (but it ain't the best either), but I live in a pretty active part of town. Is there a way to tell if any of these bangs are gunshots, because I never know if I should call the police or not. Back when I live in San Jose, CA, they had a system for pin pointing where gunshots came from, a high tech system, but I don't think they have that anywhere in CT.

I don't have any choice where I live though, so let's not get into a discussion about moving or choices I've made. I live where I can afford it and where there are buses. After I've made it through school and have a real job again, I'll move to some tranquil resort somewhere, ok? So let's not go there. Just want to know about how to tell if a bang is a gunshot, that's it. If you want to take the discussion elsewhere, don't, just don't.
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you cant reliable to the difference even police have trouble

the only way to really tell is to see ether the gun being shot or the firework itself (if you had a good trained animal they probably can tell a difference though)

unrelated note wearing a helmet outdoors at night would probably be safest way anyway you view it that way even if a bullet hits your head it wont likely kill you



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Re: How do I tell the difference between fireworks and gunshots?

said by signmeuptoo:

I don't know if they are shooting in the air, maybe, there are some pretty scuzzy people down the street...

I don't expect to get shot, but these idiots that fire guns up in the air, I've heard of the bullets coming back down and killing innocent people.

It greatly depends on a few factors.

Mythbusters Episode 50: Bullets Fired Up
»mythbustersresults.com/episode50

quote:
In the case of a bullet fired at a precisely vertical angle (something extremely difficult for a human being to duplicate), t bullet would tumble, lose its spin, and fall at a much slower speed due to terminal velocity and is therefore rendered less than lethal on impact. However, if a bullet is fired upward at a non-vertical angle (a far more probable possibility), it will maintain its spin and will reach a high enough speed to be lethal on impact. Because of this potentiality, firing a gun into the air is illegal in most states, and even in the states that it is legal, it is not recommended by the police. Also the MythBusters were able to identify two people who had been injured by falling bullets, one of them fatally injured. To date, this is the only myth to receive all three ratings at the same time.
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Experience helps, but it not a sure thing. It really doesn't matter much, you won't be able to dodge the bullet if it has your name on it. You may not even hear it until after your hit.
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The only difference I can tell you is if the gun has a recoil break (rifle etc.) the retort will be much sharper than usual. Otherwise I cannot tell the difference between a firecracker and a gun.

My father in law in a gun smith and can usually pick out if it is a firecracker, .223, 30-06, .22pea shooter, shotgun, etc. But he is ex army, and fires these guns all the time so he can tell the subtle difference.

I also know that shot locator's used by the police and sniper locator's used by the army etc. can tell the difference and can, not only pinpoint where it went off, but also what just went off and the direction the shot went. I believe you need 2 or more mics picking up the sound for best results.



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said by chrisretusn:

. . . you won't be able to dodge the bullet if it has your name on it. You may not even hear it until after your hit.


I didn't hear the one that hit me, someone told me what happened weeks later.

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signmeuptoo
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Oh my, you've been hit??? God bless you!



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said by signmeuptoo:

Oh my, you've been hit??? God bless you!


Read all about it.

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If you find yourself asking this question... it's time to move.



signmeuptoo
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Wow. That is, well, wow. Bless you.



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Well, there are areas that are worse, and possibly towns that are worse. We all do what we can, thanks for the answers guys. I think I will start pressuring politicians to get this area installed with those gunshot detection devices.



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Mythbusters isn't the end all be all. So try telling that theory to this little girls parents. »content.usatoday.com/communities···vt6D3qVo



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Reading isn't the end all be all either it seems, since you know, they said the exact thing that happened in that news story could infact likely happen?

"However, if a bullet is fired upward at a non-vertical angle (a far more probable possibility), it will maintain its spin and will reach a high enough speed to be lethal on impact."



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Simply reiterating the facts again. You see I was working the night they brought that little girl to MY hospital, I got to watch her die, not you, not Doctor Olds, but me.



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And again, what does that have to do with Mythbusters being incorrect (even though in this particular case their findings are in line with the link you posted)?



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said by gillespie:

Mythbusters isn't the end all be all. So try telling that theory to this little girls parents. »content.usatoday.com/communities···vt6D3qVo

I don't see where anyone stated that "Mythbusters is the end all be all" anywhere in this topic.

You do know what confirmed means, right? It is one of the three types of ratings they use:

• Plausible
• Busted
• Confirmed

quote:
To date, this is the only myth to receive all three ratings at the same time.
And I assume you know what fatally injured means.

quote:
Also the MythBusters were able to identify two people who had been injured by falling bullets, one of them fatally injured.
So I can only determine that you didn't read the full contents before posting or chose to ignore important parts for whatever agenda is at hand..
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FTA: "A teenage Amish girl shot on the way home from a Christmas party in her horse-drawn buggy was apparently killed by a stray bullet fired by a man cleaning his rifle 1.5 miles away, an Ohio sheriff says."

How is it that the Mythbuster's findings would not apply to your example?
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"How do I tell the difference between fireworks and gunshots?"

When you hear the noise look down at your chest if there is no blood it's fireworks, if it's a gunshot you most likely are dead!


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reply to signmeuptoo
You can tell the difference but there's no real way of explaining it without hearing the sounds. It all has to do with the powder.

A rifle/handgun round is designed to burn a small amount of powder extremely fast. By the time the powder has turned to gas and has exited the gun (after the bullet) it has cooled down and lost a lot of its pressure. Now to doesn't have the "oomph" to create much more noise. It will sound like a sharp crack that quickly dissipates much like the cracking of a whip.

A firework on the other hand is meant to either create noise or put on a light show, sometimes both. The small firecrackers have a sharp sound similar to a firearm but aren't as loud. The louder fireworks tend to use a slower burning powder that gives them a booming sound closer to that of thunder


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