Court Upholds Domestic Drone Use in Arrest of US Citizen

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StuartMW Who Is John Galt? Premium join:2000-08-06 Galt's Gulch kudos:2 Reviews: ·CenturyLink	Court Upholds Domestic Drone Use in Arrest of US Citizen quote: A judge denied a request to dismiss charges Wednesday against Rodney Brossart, a man arrested last year after a 16-hour standoff with police at his Lakota, N.D., ranch. Brossart's lawyer argued that law enforcement's "warrantless use of [an] unmanned military-like surveillance aircraft" and "outrageous governmental conduct" warranted dismissal of the case, according to court documents obtained by U.S. News. »www.usnews.com/news/articles/201···-citizen -- Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow!
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jaykaykay 4 Ever Young Premium,MVM join:2000-04-13 Scottsdale, AZ kudos:22	Wonderful. And so it begins, although I am not certain that this first case isn't justified in a drone's use. I am personally happy with drones being used but ride the fence and am unhappy as well. It's a sticky slope we're in, as indicated by a statement made in this article. "Wednesday, Massachusetts Democrat Rep. Edward Markey released a draft of a bill that would require private drone operators to inform the government of any data collected by drones and would require law enforcement to "minimize the collection … of information and data unrelated to the investigation of a crime." States are "increasingly using unmanned aircraft systems in the United States, including deployments for law enforcement operations," according to the bill. There "is the potential for unmanned aircraft system technology to enable invasive and pervasive surveillance without adequate privacy protections." -- JKK Age is a very high price to pay for my maturity. If I can't stay young, I can at least stay immature! »www.pbase.com/jaykaykay
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StuartMW Who Is John Galt? Premium join:2000-08-06 Galt's Gulch kudos:2 Reviews: ·CenturyLink	said by jaykaykay: And so it begins, although I am not certain that this first case isn't justified in a drone's use. I disagree. Although this guy sounds like he's guilty once the precedent of using military surveillance technology (drones) for domestic law enforcement is set it'll soon become the norm. Drones can, and probably will, have more than visible spectrum camera's on them. Law enforcement will be able to see through your walls (e.g. with infrared) and who knows what else. Do you really want to go there? (Probably too late now anyway...) -- Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow!
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Dude111 An Awesome Dude Premium join:2003-08-04 USA kudos:11	NO ONE SHOULD BE "OK" WITH DRONES BEING USED! Do you know how many INNOCENT people have been killed by drone attacks? WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!
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OZO Premium join:2003-01-17 kudos:2	Sheeple don't look at skies... They don't care. -- Keep it simple, it'll become complex by itself...
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StuartMW Who Is John Galt? Premium join:2000-08-06 Galt's Gulch kudos:2 Reviews: ·CenturyLink	said by OZO: Sheeple don't look at skies... Doesn't matter. Drones, by design, are both invisible and silent. -- Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow!
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dave Premium,MVM join:2000-05-04 not in ohio kudos:8	reply to Dude111 said by Dude111: Do you know how many INNOCENT people have been killed by drone attacks? And this is relevant to drones being used for domestic surveillance... how? It destroys a reasonable argument when you post irrelevant mental froth.
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Xioden Premium join:2008-06-10 Monticello, NY kudos:1	reply to StuartMW Re: Court Upholds Domestic Drone Use in Arrest of US Citizen Police already use helicopters to catch speeders on highways. They already use thermal cameras to check for possible "grow houses". How is the fact that it's a drone any different?
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dave Premium,MVM join:2000-05-04 not in ohio kudos:8	said by Xioden: How is the fact that it's a drone any different? The same way that keeping all known information about you with computers and world-wide networks is different from keeping the same thing with typewriters, paper, and snail-mail. That is, drones are cheap, so there will be lots of them, with several orders of magnitude more air-hours. And larger scale changes the game significantly, it's not just more of the same thing. Right now, economics dictates that there's likely 'cause' before manned air surveillance is considered. If surveillance is cheap, you can deploy it regardless.
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pokesph It Is Almost Fast Premium join:2001-06-25 Sacramento, CA kudos:1	reply to StuartMW Last time I checked, which was last month, using drones in the USA was banned by the FAA. How in the world did this police agency fly an unmanned drone and not get busted themselves for violating FAA rules?
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StuartMW Who Is John Galt? Premium join:2000-08-06 Galt's Gulch kudos:2 Reviews: ·CenturyLink	said by pokesph: Last time I checked, which was last month, using drones in the USA was banned by the FAA. Um... the FAA approved drone use in US airspace months ago. It's been discussed here. Google it. -- Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow!
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pokesph It Is Almost Fast Premium join:2001-06-25 Sacramento, CA kudos:1	said by StuartMW: Um... the FAA approved drone use in US airspace months ago. It's been discussed here. Google it. Ok this is what I find: quote: Currently, UAVs can only fly in restricted airspace zones controlled by the U.S. military. By May 2013, the next class of drones, those weighing less than 55 pounds, can fly the nation’s skies, according to provisions of the FAA bill passed by Congress and signed by President Barack Obama last week. The deadline for full integration of drones into U.S. airspace is Sept. 30, 2015. via »www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46499162/ns···-drones/ -- Webmaster - Steve - - - - - - - - - - - - »www.1-gb.net »www.ppnstudio.com
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Blackbird Built for Speed Premium join:2005-01-14 Fort Wayne, IN kudos:3 Reviews: ·Frontier Communi..	reply to StuartMW When those in authority possess the technical means and legal precedent of monitoring the citizenry in detail, 24 hours a day, it ultimately quenches freedom. Any purported infraction (no matter how small) or any misconstrued activity as a result of the monitoring carries the potential of hauling the citizenry before a magistrate, with the citizen left to prove his innocence in the face of the monitoring data. Does any reasonable person believe that at some point, someone in some position of power will not use such capability to trump up issues against their opponent(s)? Every despotic regime in history has expanded their snooping powers to the degree technology and finances allowed at the time, purely to suppress their opposition, real or potential. Why do we believe it will be otherwise in our halls of power? Are we that naive and ignorant of history? Supposing we even were to trust those in power today, what about tomorrow - once these tools are turned against us in a hostile way? As Franklin stated, we have been given a Republic - if we can keep it. -- "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God!" -- P.Henry, 1775
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NormanS Premium,MVM join:2001-02-14 San Jose, CA kudos:9 Reviews: ·SONIC.NET ·Pacific Bell - SBC	reply to jaykaykay said by jaykaykay: Wonderful. And so it begins, although I am not certain that this first case isn't justified in a drone's use. I am personally happy with drones being used but ride the fence and am unhappy as well. It's a sticky slope we're in, as indicated by a statement made in this article. Wondering what they would do if I deployed surplus camouflage netting over my back yard? -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
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EGeezer Go Cats Premium join:2002-08-04 Midwest kudos:8	reply to StuartMW Those highway patrol planes may be illegal too. Lots of speeders would love to see that court case resolved in their favor.
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Blackbird Built for Speed Premium join:2005-01-14 Fort Wayne, IN kudos:3 Reviews: ·Frontier Communi..	reply to NormanS said by NormanS: ... Wondering what they would do if I deployed surplus camouflage netting over my back yard? Haul you before some agency for violating zoning, safety, environmental impact, attractive nuisance, etc., etc. If they seriously want to contest such a challenge by you, there are already likely a bunch of potential rules and regulations already on the books that they can accuse you of and tie you up in court or commissions with fines/assessments (or worse) for the rest of your natural life. Such becomes the situation if our government servants elect to become our masters... -- "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God!" -- P.Henry, 1775
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Blackbird Built for Speed Premium join:2005-01-14 Fort Wayne, IN kudos:3 Reviews: ·Frontier Communi..	reply to EGeezer said by EGeezer: Those highway patrol planes may be illegal too. Lots of speeders would love to see that court case resolved in their favor. There's long been an argument (and precedent) that driving a car is a privilege, not a right, licensable and subject to detail regulation by the various states or locales. In such a vein, that probably includes their ability to monitor highways in whatever manner necessary to enforce their driving laws. The highway is a public right-of-way, subject to common use and laws. Flying drones over private property looking broadly for infractions appears to move well outside such argument/precedent. -- "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God!" -- P.Henry, 1775
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EGeezer Go Cats Premium join:2002-08-04 Midwest kudos:8	reply to Blackbird said by Blackbird: Haul you before some agency for violating zoning, safety, environmental impact, attractive nuisance, etc., etc. If governments make enough laws, they can find a way to convict anyone.
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Blackbird Built for Speed Premium join:2005-01-14 Fort Wayne, IN kudos:3 Reviews: ·Frontier Communi..	said by EGeezer: said by Blackbird: Haul you before some agency for violating zoning, safety, environmental impact, attractive nuisance, etc., etc. If governments make enough laws, they can find a way to convict anyone. The problem now is that with automated monitoring systems, be they cameras or drones, the ability to bring such detail rules and regulations to bear in a punitive way against even the most ordinary citizen becomes more than possible - it becomes nearly inevitable. In bygone days, those in power had to expend significant human resources to trump up such accusations... which limited their ability to suppress larger numbers of citizens. With technology, that equation has now shifted dangerously. The greater the ability to suppress, the greater the temptation to do it. -- "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God!" -- P.Henry, 1775
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EGeezer Go Cats Premium join:2002-08-04 Midwest kudos:8	Robespierre's Committee of Public Safety used that strategy to great success. He would have loved drones.
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