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mmay149q Premium join:2009-03-05 Dallas, TX kudos:48	Good I hope they win this, caps are stupid and just a money grab from people who want alternatives from TV tiers, it's another way of saying "You're going to pay me for TV if you watch it from me or not" /sigh we'll see what the future has to bring. Matt -- I am no longer an AT&T Employee. Check out my kudos! »/profile/1626573 Have U-verse questions? Please email uversecare@att.com and they will assist you!!
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25139889 join:2011-10-25 Toledo, OH	Comcast has the most money. and this group just needs more $$$ to support their "interests". And Comcast defines their network in their TOS.
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mmay149q Premium join:2009-03-05 Dallas, TX kudos:48	said by 25139889: Comcast has the most money. and this group just needs more $$$ to support their "interests". And Comcast defines their network in their TOS. That doesn't mean there can't be a victory here, I'll admit that money wins lawsuits 90% of the time, however really all of this is just proving how anti-competitive caps are, or at least caps under 500GB a month. Now yes I know, most people don't even reach 250GB, however if they don't have the opportunity to try, then how will they ever know? And with ever expanding video options on line, really the caps will have to be modified eventually, especially when we'll be able to stream Blu-Ray quality movies straight to our PC. Matt P.S. this isn't meant to sound like an argument, just the flip side of the coin -- I am no longer an AT&T Employee. Check out my kudos! »/profile/1626573 Have U-verse questions? Please email uversecare@att.com and they will assist you!!
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BF69 Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN	reply to mmay149q said by mmay149q: I hope they win this, caps are stupid Hate to break it to you even if they "win" Comcast can still have caps. The only difference is Comcast will have to count their stuff too. hardly a "win".
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Skippy25 join:2000-09-13 Hazelwood, MO	reply to 25139889 said by 25139889: And Comcast defines their network in their TOS. LOL, I guess you are one of those people that thinks a TOS is etched in stone and just because it says it in there that is how it is. Sorry to say, but you are wrong. Many times judges have ruled that TOS statements are not enforceable. As a matter of fact didnt we just have a story on that here the other day or was that another site?
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mmay149q Premium join:2009-03-05 Dallas, TX kudos:48	reply to BF69 said by BF69: said by mmay149q: I hope they win this, caps are stupid Hate to break it to you even if they "win" Comcast can still have caps. The only difference is Comcast will have to count their stuff too. hardly a "win". Who is going to want to use their online services if there's a cap? Broadband users with no cable TV subscription won't be able to use it, if you already have TV services why use the internet streaming videos unless you're at work, and for a quick news update? It will be a substantial loss for the companies ROI/revenue/etc, which in turn they will either A.) Lower the caps to punish customers, B.) Raise the caps to support their own content (win) or C.) Get rid of the caps all together as it's hurting their business model (another win) I know, I talk smack about caps often, and in my opinion they are useless, (or at least a $50 connection fee plus $10 per 50GB overages is useless) If they really wanted to charge by usage, then they need a $5 - $10 connection fee, plus $10 per 50GB, or $10 per 100GB overages for consumers, instead of substantially overpricing the cost of a GB of data, any even non-technical person can look up the cost of a 4TB drive, round off to 4,000GB's and then see the cost of the drive and tell the true cost of a GB and see they are getting screwed. (It comes to 0.1324975 cents per GB, 0.12939208984375 if you use 4096GB's) Either way, doesn't really matter, I'm just not a fan of being ripped off, as most consumers aren't, and as such I will always speak out for unfairness. Matt -- I am no longer an AT&T Employee. Check out my kudos! »/profile/1626573 Have U-verse questions? Please email uversecare@att.com and they will assist you!!
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BF69 Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN	said by mmay149q: Who is going to want to use their online services if there's a cap? Most people because A) Most won't hit the cap B) There aren't other options in most cases.
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mmay149q Premium join:2009-03-05 Dallas, TX kudos:48	said by BF69: said by mmay149q: Who is going to want to use their online services if there's a cap? Most people because A) Most won't hit the cap B) There aren't other options in most cases. I don't know how accurate this could be with family house holds of 3 or more. Depends on the TV shows, there's plenty of other options on ways to attain your media. Matt -- I am no longer an AT&T Employee. Check out my kudos! »/profile/1626573 Have U-verse questions? Please email uversecare@att.com and they will assist you!!
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BF69 Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN	said by mmay149q: said by BF69: said by mmay149q: Who is going to want to use their online services if there's a cap? Most people because A) Most won't hit the cap B) There aren't other options in most cases. I don't know how accurate this could be with family house holds of 3 or more. Depends on the TV shows, there's plenty of other options on ways to attain your media. Matt Unfortunately you think yourself and many that post here are "typical" households. we're not. The fact is if you go by Comcast own data( yeah I know who is to say how accurate it is ) less than 2% go over 250 GB. So how many are going to go over 300 GB? I will say the most I've used in one month was 250 GB. In fact most times it's under 200 GB.
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mmay149q Premium join:2009-03-05 Dallas, TX kudos:48	said by BF69: Unfortunately you think yourself and many that post here are "typical" households. we're not. The fact is if you go by Comcast own data( yeah I know who is to say how accurate it is ) less than 2% go over 250 GB. So how many are going to go over 300 GB? I will say the most I've used in one month was 250 GB. In fact most times it's under 200 GB. I don't think that my household is typical, I KNOW my household is heavy users. What I'm trying to get at is today's heavy user is tomorrow's normal behavior. Here's the problems I see: 1.) 250 - 300 GB of data for all of your devices, IN a family where there are 3 + people that's POSSIBLY a cell phone offloading to WiFi for each person (since they only get 2GB, or whatever to share) So that COULD BE up to 6 devices. If 2 of those devices are owned by at teenager, you can bet that more time will be spent on those devices surfing, streaming, downloading, etc. This is normal for kids these days. 2.) 20 cents per GB when it costs the company way less than that to provide 1 GB of data, going off what it costs per GB for hard drives (since the company won't release proof of the cost to provide a GB to a customer) 3.) As more people innovate, and start using cloud services and streaming/downloading video (HD quality) or audio, especially for multiple devices, the cap becomes less and less... this is the FUTURE and ComCast is not preparing for it. Sure today most people may not use 200GB, but what about 10 years from now when every smartphone has a cloud service for backup purposes plan you can purchase (My Samsung Galaxy SIII is offered up to 120GB's for $9.99 a month) and it has over 100GB of space with half of it used? And what happens when the carriers offer "no counting against caps" for these services where other providers of this type of service may not be chosen due to the count against caps. What happens when people start using more and more services, and then hacking their neighbors WiFi network because they are running low on their monthly cap (you can find videos on YouTube on how to do this with certain versions of Linux) What happens when more people start innovating and offering HD video streaming services that stream more than 6Mbps per HD stream? Or when multiple people in 1 house stream more than 1 HD stream at a time? What happens to the starving YouTube artist/producers/etc that upload huge video files multiple times a week? Or musical artists in general that upload their content to places like reverbnation.com to show to their fans, but yet hardly make any cash off this? See that's the problem with caps, they can't answer the questions or possibilities of tomorrow, they can only answer what's happening today. Matt -- I am no longer an AT&T Employee. Check out my kudos! »/profile/1626573 Have U-verse questions? Please email uversecare@att.com and they will assist you!!
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BF69 Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN	said by mmay149q: Sure today most people may not use 200GB, but what about 10 years from now when every smartphone has a cloud service for backup purposes plan you can purchase (My Samsung Galaxy SIII is offered up to 120GB's for $9.99 a month) and it has over 100GB of space with half of it used? And what happens when the carriers offer "no counting against caps" for these services where other providers of this type of service may not be chosen due to the count against caps. What happens when people start using more and more services, and then hacking their neighbors WiFi network because they are running low on their monthly cap (you can find videos on YouTube on how to do this with certain versions of Linux) What happens when more people start innovating and offering HD video streaming services that stream more than 6Mbps per HD stream? Or when multiple people in 1 house stream more than 1 HD stream at a time? What happens to the starving YouTube artist/producers/etc that upload huge video files multiple times a week? Or musical artists in general that upload their content to places like reverbnation.com to show to their fans, but yet hardly make any cash off this? See that's the problem with caps, they can't answer the questions or possibilities of tomorrow, they can only answer what's happening today. Matt Well TODAY the vast majority are unaffected by these caps. In 10 years you would hope that Comcast and other ISPs up their caps within that time. Will they? Who knows, but the time to worry about that is in 10 years. As far as the starving artists. well that's why they are starving always has been that way. They'll just need to get an uncapped business account. By the way Youtube DOES pay people that upload videos.
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mmay149q Premium join:2009-03-05 Dallas, TX kudos:48	That's the problem, looking at today instead of tomorrow, if we are preparing for today instead of preparing for tomorrow, then tomorrow when it's needed we'll be screwed... Matt P.S. You're telling people that pay $50 a month for the same speed as the $300 a month business account that they need to pay $300 a month when their "music career" may only bring them $600 a month... That's like Mercedes selling you the top of the line new 2013 model, and then saying if you want all the luxury features to work you have to pay $10,000 more than what the car is worth..... -- I am no longer an AT&T Employee. Check out my kudos! »/profile/1626573 Have U-verse questions? Please email uversecare@att.com and they will assist you!!
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elray join:2000-12-16 Santa Monica, CA	said by mmay149q: P.S. You're telling people that pay $50 a month for the same speed as the $300 a month business account that they need to pay $300 a month when their "music career" may only bring them $600 a month... That's like Mercedes selling you the top of the line new 2013 model, and then saying if you want all the luxury features to work you have to pay $10,000 more than what the car is worth..... Comcast uncapped business accounts don't cost $300/month. You might want to check your hyperbole before posting.
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Tdahl7 Premium join:2012-02-04 Phoenix, AZ	reply to mmay149q How does the cost of storage, eg "a Drive". Equate to the cost of transport, aka; bandwidth.
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mmay149q Premium join:2009-03-05 Dallas, TX kudos:48	reply to elray said by elray: said by mmay149q: P.S. You're telling people that pay $50 a month for the same speed as the $300 a month business account that they need to pay $300 a month when their "music career" may only bring them $600 a month... That's like Mercedes selling you the top of the line new 2013 model, and then saying if you want all the luxury features to work you have to pay $10,000 more than what the car is worth..... Comcast uncapped business accounts don't cost $300/month. You might want to check your hyperbole before posting. That's the cost of TWC business class here in Dallas Texas, nowhere did I state that was the cost of Comcast Business Class. Matt -- I am no longer an AT&T Employee. Check out my kudos! »/profile/1626573 Have U-verse questions? Please email uversecare@att.com and they will assist you!!
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mmay149q Premium join:2009-03-05 Dallas, TX kudos:48	reply to Tdahl7 said by Tdahl7: How does the cost of storage, eg "a Drive". Equate to the cost of transport, aka; bandwidth. It was just a used example since the ISP's don't put out proof of what it costs per GB to send data, it's about all any consumer can do to get an idea really. Matt -- I am no longer an AT&T Employee. Check out my kudos! »/profile/1626573 Have U-verse questions? Please email uversecare@att.com and they will assist you!!
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