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HaloFans

join:2006-12-18

Intranet vs. Internet

Public Knowledge seems to not understand why Comcast's own content doesn't have caps even though caps really don't fix the undersupported infrastructure of Comcast's Internet lines.


JigglyWiggly

join:2009-07-12
Pleasanton, CA

THERE IS NO REASON FOR THESE CAPS
they have 8 downstream chanenls



nothing00

join:2001-06-10
Centereach, NY

Last I checked Comcast subscribers didn't subscribe to the "Comcast Intranet" package. Please send me a link to where that exists.

How do television only subscribers get access to this content? Through your imagined Comcast Intranet right? No.... wait.... they have to be subscribed to INTERNET service.

Looks like you don't get it.



HaloFans

join:2006-12-18

The Xfinity on demand pay per view content already exists on network as the content doesn't exist on outside of the Comcast's internal network (aka the Internet). Think of it like a large Local Area Connection.

I'm heavily against caps as I already said before they don't solve Internet congestion. I just find it a poor argument to argue on this. If Netflix has its content within Comcast's internal network, then there's a problem.

Content hoarding and licensing will be a large problem to solve. If only competition existed to force companies to improve their infrastructure...


Oedipus

join:2005-05-09
kudos:1

reply to HaloFans
I thought that the last mile is where all of the congestion occurs and that is why caps are necessary? Isn't the last mile a part of Comcast's internal network?


Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO

reply to HaloFans
I would agree, this is a problem to solve.

However, what you are arguing would amount to Comcast doing 1 of 2 things.

1.) Have any bandwidth heavy services (any popular services really) put servers in the Comcast Intranet. Which more than likely would not be free and would be at Comcast's sole discretion and not available to all (big or small / direct competitor or not).

2.) Comcast finds a way to charge extra for the delivery of content their users request from companies that wont do #1 or that Comcast deems not important enough to allow option #1.

Next I would ask, is NBC's network really part of Comcast network physically AND logically? Does it cross ANY public internet portion through peering at all or is it dedicated circuit in the same IP block as Comcast?

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Well what do you know? Caps do #2 now, don't they? Comcast certainly has those.


Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO

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reply to Oedipus
Do not bring logic and facts into this conversation!

Shhh.... there are people here that don't want to deal with those things.



skeechan
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join:2012-01-26
AA169|170
kudos:2

reply to HaloFans
Any congestion is last mile from Comcast not dedicating enough channel space to HSI allowing saturation if you have a bunch of simultaneous users. Congestion at the headend is a myth.


navalpatel

join:2003-07-28
Richardson, TX

reply to JigglyWiggly
The reason for the caps is to:
(1) deter bandwidth intensive uses (e.g. Netflix, Hulu, file sharing, etc.) to
(2) marginalize the appeal of online entertainment alternatives while ensuring a continuing stream of revenue for those that opt against a cable sub.

While imposing caps doesn't eliminate all competition - satellite & telco - it does essentially take away the most viable option for those wishing to rein in extraneous expenses and become cord-cutters.


bemis

join:2008-07-18
Reading, MA
Reviews:
·Comcast
·Verizon FiOS

reply to JigglyWiggly

said by JigglyWiggly:

THERE IS NO REASON FOR THESE CAPS
they have 8 downstream chanenls

It's not about bandwidth from your house to their network anymore, it's about internet use.

Speed tiers are about dealing with connections from house to their network.

Caps are about dealing their network to the internet.... that does cost them money you know...

bemis

join:2008-07-18
Reading, MA
Reviews:
·Comcast
·Verizon FiOS

reply to skeechan

said by skeechan:

Any congestion is last mile from Comcast not dedicating enough channel space to HSI allowing saturation if you have a bunch of simultaneous users. Congestion at the headend is a myth.

Does Comcast pay $0 for connecting their network to the internet?

You get bread sticks for free with your meal, but that doesn't mean they cost the restaurant anything.


skeechan
Ai Otsukaholic
Premium
join:2012-01-26
AA169|170
kudos:2

Yeah they pay 0%, customers pay 100% plus gobs more. Cost per GB is mere pennies while customers are paying $50+/mo.


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