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The Truth

join:2012-07-31

$148 average subscriber bill .....

It's funny how people cry about a $148 triple play (high def on multiple tv's, DVR service, wireless high speed internet and unlimited nationwide home phone service) that multiple family members use everyday throughout their home day after day but have no issues paying for a $200+ monthly unlimited smart phone bill. If you are not living beyond your means and understand that complaining about something to get a reduction in price is not the what you really need to do. What needs to happen is get a grasp on your budget and realize that the cable bill (or satellite, or Uverse ...) is your best bang for the buck at @ $5 per day for (in our case) 2 adults and 3 children which equals @ $1 per day per person for 3 services. I've never even blinked at the price of the cable bill due to the fact that at $5 per day I could not even leave the house with our family of five and go to dinner, the movies, the beach, to a park .... for anywhere close to $5 for the day (gas would be at least 2x that). But then again, I don't expect companies to reduce their prices for their services so I can spend that money somewhere else.

ITALIAN926

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Absolutely. People get so used to the introductory prices on TV, they forget that theyre introductory.

Lets rewind the clock back to the dialup days. TV bill, 2 phones lines, seperate long distance, AOL bill, probably more than $150 / mo lol



Cabal
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I pay $45/mo for my unlimited smartphone bill, and that includes all taxes and fees. I'm on the GSM Galaxy Nexus, so not a shoddy phone, either.
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The Truth

join:2012-07-31

said by Cabal:

I pay $45/mo for my unlimited smartphone bill, and that includes all taxes and fees. I'm on the GSM Galaxy Nexus, so not a shoddy phone, either.

Understood, but now multiply that $45 cell phone bill for 1 person x 5 people (2 adults and 3 young adults) and now your at $225 for a cell phone bill. Even though you have a good price, you're paying 70% more for a one service cell phone bill as you are for a three service cable bill.

The Truth

join:2012-07-31

reply to ITALIAN926

said by ITALIAN926:

Absolutely. People get so used to the introductory prices on TV, they forget that theyre introductory.

Lets rewind the clock back to the dialup days. TV bill, 2 phones lines, seperate long distance, AOL bill, probably more than $150 / mo lol

Thats right. I know people right now still paying the phone company over $80 monthly for just phone service with nationwide long distance. I have never thought of my cable bill as a luxury due to the fact that it really is a small price to pay for all of the service that it provides us here at my home.


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said by The Truth:

What needs to happen is get a grasp on your budget and realize that the cable bill (or satellite, or Uverse ...) is your best bang for the buck at @ $5 per day for (in our case) 2 adults and 3 children which equals @ $1 per day per person for 3 services.

It's a decent way to think about it. Now think ahead.

What happens when the three children leave, you and the spouse retire, and it's just the two of you on half of your former income?

Reduce your cable bill by 50-60% and try to remain satisfied with what's left.

(This exercise doesn't count the fact that cable bills rise at about twice the rate of inflation.)
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Linklist
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said by The Truth:

It's funny how people cry about a $148 triple play (high def on multiple tv's, DVR service, wireless high speed internet and unlimited nationwide home phone service) that multiple family members use everyday throughout their home day after day but have no issues paying for a $200+ monthly unlimited smart phone bill. If you are not living beyond your means and understand that complaining about something to get a reduction in price is not the what you really need to do. What needs to happen is get a grasp on your budget and realize that the cable bill (or satellite, or Uverse ...) is your best bang for the buck at @ $5 per day for (in our case) 2 adults and 3 children which equals @ $1 per day per person for 3 services. I've never even blinked at the price of the cable bill due to the fact that at $5 per day I could not even leave the house with our family of five and go to dinner, the movies, the beach, to a park .... for anywhere close to $5 for the day (gas would be at least 2x that). But then again, I don't expect companies to reduce their prices for their services so I can spend that money somewhere else.

That is the way I look at the bill. A lot of entertainment value at a very low price. 2 nights out a month for 2 with a movie, dinner, drinks costs much more than a month of cable tv.
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The Truth

join:2012-07-31

reply to funchords

said by funchords:

said by The Truth:

What needs to happen is get a grasp on your budget and realize that the cable bill (or satellite, or Uverse ...) is your best bang for the buck at @ $5 per day for (in our case) 2 adults and 3 children which equals @ $1 per day per person for 3 services.

It's a decent way to think about it. Now think ahead.

What happens when the three children leave, you and the spouse retire, and it's just the two of you on half of your former income?

Reduce your cable bill by 50-60% and try to remain satisfied with what's left.

(This exercise doesn't count the fact that cable bills rise at about twice the rate of inflation.)

I understand your point. My thought process would be to reduce some of the services that are not needed anymore since we have a smaller household (HBO, Cinemax, top tier internet service - things the kids enjoyed) and enjoy the services that we need at that point. After doing that I would be still be satisfied due to the fact that we have lived within our means for years, worked hard, saved and invested money along the way and a $150 cable bill (at that point in the future) is not a strapping bill and we are still living within our means.

Wilsdom

join:2009-08-06

reply to The Truth
Just because the smart phone is overpriced doesn't mean $2000 per year for cable is cheap. And at least the smart phone provides functionality, while all the worthless channels, the DVR, and the obsolete land-line are of little to no value.


HiDesert

join:2008-08-17

reply to funchords
"This exercise doesn't count the fact that cable bills rise at about twice the rate of inflation."

Yeap, my 2.5 percent merit increase was just cancelled (hospital wide so no one at my place of work gets anymore money).

The bottom line is through channel bundling content holders like Disney can extort more money through carriage extortion. For those lucky enough to make enough to keep pace with the hikes, I'm happy for ya. Many wages are not keeping up and full time jobs are being replaced by PRN jobs in my field and wages in many cases are being driven down.

For me, I guess I can still afford it but decided a few years ago that the value is not there. That it was no longer worth paying a thousand dollars a year just to watch TV. OTA more then satisfies my occasional use of the TV.


The Truth

join:2012-07-31

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said by Wilsdom:

Just because the smart phone is overpriced doesn't mean $2000 per year for cable is cheap. And at least the smart phone provides functionality, while all the worthless channels, the DVR, and the obsolete land-line are of little to no value.

No, $1800 - $2000 yearly is not cheap - but for 3 services used from the time you wake up until the time you go to bed it is very reasonable at $600 - $675 per service yearly. Try going out for the evening with a family for a descent dinner and a movie and see if you can pay less than $150 with everything included (meals, tip, popcorn, drinks, gas ...)

The Truth

join:2012-07-31

reply to HiDesert

said by HiDesert:

"This exercise doesn't count the fact that cable bills rise at about twice the rate of inflation."

Yeap, my 2.5 percent merit increase was just cancelled (hospital wide so no one at my place of work gets anymore money).

The bottom line is through channel bundling content holders like Disney can extort more money through carriage extortion. For those lucky enough to make enough to keep pace with the hikes, I'm happy for ya. Many wages are not keeping up and full time jobs are being replaced by PRN jobs in my field and wages in many cases are being driven down.

For me, I guess I can still afford it but decided a few years ago that the value is not there. That it was no longer worth paying a thousand dollars a year just to watch TV. OTA more then satisfies my occasional use of the TV.

I agree in some instances tough choices have to be made. I have positioned my family to live pretty well off of 30% of our income. The other 70% goes to investments, emergency funds and paying cash for large purchases. Even if we never received a raise for the next ten years we would be fine with the bills we have now (and no I don't have a high level position with a Fortune 500 company). I couldn't blame anyone but ourselves if we couldn't keep up with our bills. Become smart financially and the $150 cable bill becomes so much less a part of your misery.

Crookshanks

join:2008-02-04
Northeast PA
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said by The Truth:

I have never thought of my cable bill as a luxury due to the fact that it really is a small price to pay for all of the service that it provides us here at my home.

TV is a luxury. Internet and phone service not so much...

For better or worse telecommunications is our largest household expense after the mortgage and car payments:

Verizon Wireless (2 smartphones): $163/mo
Frontier Business Class DSL: $70/mo
Frontier POTS: $26/mo
Total: $259/mo

I could knock $30 off that if I didn't need the business class DSL and another $26 if I was willing to part with the redundancy of the POTS line. The former is something of a necessity for work (and they pay for it, thankfully) and the latter is something that's worth $1/day to me.

Still, if I was willing/able to part with them we'd be paying $203/mo for what is effectively unlimited calling, data and wireline internet service. That's not all that bad when you compare it against the options of yesteryear. Drop the mobile data/smartphones and it would be <$140/mo.

Crookshanks

join:2008-02-04
Northeast PA
Reviews:
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said by Linklist:

2 nights out a month for 2 with a movie, dinner, drinks costs much more than a month of cable tv.

Well, the dinner out is a separate item, isn't it? Having cable doesn't save you from cooking dinner, unless that's part of the new quadruple play packages.

Theaters are only a rip off if you're dumb enough to buy food and drinks from them. Eat beforehand and smuggle in a few carpi suns to quench your thirst during the movie. Those things are tailor made to sneak into movie theaters, sports venues, etc.

Crookshanks

join:2008-02-04
Northeast PA
Reviews:
·Frontier Communi..

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said by Wilsdom:

the obsolete land-line are of little to no value.

My POTS line costs me less than $1/day and short of a drunk driver taking out the telephone pole will never fail me.

So long as the service remains bulletproof and inexpensive I'll never part with basic POTS. Ours is completely no frills; no special calling features whatsoever and long distance service exclusively for emergencies. The line itself is only for emergencies, local outgoing calls, plus the occasional incoming call. We don't give the number to businesses that we deal with; just family, close friends, and our employers.

Some people laugh at us but we had the last laugh during the floods in 2011 when we were one of three households on the block with working phone service. The cellular network was effectively useless for three days (too many destroyed cell-sites combined with the extra load of an emergency) while VoIP products ceased to function because of the extended power outage.

The Truth

join:2012-07-31

reply to Crookshanks

said by Crookshanks:

said by The Truth:

I have never thought of my cable bill as a luxury due to the fact that it really is a small price to pay for all of the service that it provides us here at my home.

TV is a luxury. Internet and phone service not so much...

For better or worse telecommunications is our largest household expense after the mortgage and car payments:

Verizon Wireless (2 smartphones): $163/mo
Frontier Business Class DSL: $70/mo
Frontier POTS: $26/mo
Total: $259/mo

I could knock $30 off that if I didn't need the business class DSL and another $26 if I was willing to part with the redundancy of the POTS line. The former is something of a necessity for work (and they pay for it, thankfully) and the latter is something that's worth $1/day to me.

Still, if I was willing/able to part with them we'd be paying $203/mo for what is effectively unlimited calling, data and wireline internet service. That's not all that bad when you compare it against the options of yesteryear. Drop the mobile data/smartphones and it would be <$140/mo.

So your paying $96 monthly for the two services DSL and POTS - that seems in line with the $148 average for a triple play. Add in your smartphones and you double the $148 average (if you had video). We are in the $280 range for everything (Video, HSD, Tele and cell phones) and use all three of these all day long for the five of us - a great value.

Crookshanks

join:2008-02-04
Northeast PA
Reviews:
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said by The Truth:

We are in the $280 range for everything (Video, HSD, Tele and cell phones) and use all three of these all day long for the five of us - a great value.

I'm probably a tech snob but I don't count the cable company's VoIP product as a real phone. My POTS line exists because I KNOW I can count on it during emergencies. I've lost track of the number of times I've seen Time Warner's phone product go down without any obvious cause, to say nothing of the week it took them to restore service after the floods we endured last year.

If it wasn't for the proven reliability of POTS we'd exclusively rely on our cell phones for voice service.

I'm roaming off topic though, my original point was I don't lump cable television service under the category of telecommunications at budget time. Basic telecommunications (which I would define as wireline voice and internet service) are an essential service in the 21st century. Television is a luxury. A relatively inexpensive luxury to be sure but still a luxury.

The Truth

join:2012-07-31

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said by Crookshanks:

said by Linklist:

2 nights out a month for 2 with a movie, dinner, drinks costs much more than a month of cable tv.

Well, the dinner out is a separate item, isn't it? Having cable doesn't save you from cooking dinner, unless that's part of the new quadruple play packages.

Theaters are only a rip off if you're dumb enough to buy food and drinks from them. Eat beforehand and smuggle in a few carpi suns to quench your thirst during the movie. Those things are tailor made to sneak into movie theaters, sports venues, etc.

He was making a comparison for what things cost. What things cost at the theaters is not a concern as I do not frequent the theaters seven nights a week as I do my living room. Buying food at the theater would not be a deal breaker for my family and make us resort to sneaking in food and ripping off the owners of the theater.


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said by Crookshanks:

said by The Truth:

We are in the $280 range for everything (Video, HSD, Tele and cell phones) and use all three of these all day long for the five of us - a great value.

I'm probably a tech snob but I don't count the cable company's VoIP product as a real phone.

Maybe not TW, but Comcast's phone service isn't VoIP as they keep the voice packets entirely on their private network and it is never transmitted over the data network.

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Crookshanks

join:2008-02-04
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said by The Truth:

Buying food at the theater would not be a deal breaker for my family and make us resort to sneaking in food and ripping off the owners of the theater.

I'm not terribly concerned about "ripping off" the owners of the theater by bringing in a carpi son as opposed to paying $8 for a soda. Not only is the soda overpriced, it has zero redeeming nutritional value. If I take your line of reasoning to its logical conclusion I'd be "ripping them off" by declining to buy a soda without smuggling in anything.

If they catch you they can ask you to leave. That's about all they can do. Of course the odds of this happening are zero. Theaters don't even bother to deal the jerk who is blabbing on his cell phone during the movie. Who here is old enough to remember the days when they employed actual ushers who would have asked him to cut it out or leave?

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