 aaronwtPremium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA
 ·Verizon FiOS
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Re: Why? said by Crookshanks:said by pnh102:it is so cord-cutters like people on this site don't get terribly happy with services like Netflix, Crackle and Amazon Video.
A retired friend of mine is a cord cutter in love with his Roku. His usage totals typically run between 150GB and 200GB/mo. The highest month (when his Roku was new and the novelty hadn't worn off) was 230GB. He has all day to watch TV and I'd hazard a guess that his hourly streaming totals are way above the average, even for a cord cutter. I don't like caps any more than the next guy but the reality of the situation is that very few users will run into them. So long as these users are such a small minority you can expect zero sympathy from John Q. Public, never mind any of the regulatory agencies in a position to actually do something about caps and network neutrality. Roku is only using lower bitrate streams for their content. Even Netflix 1080P HD content is only around 5Mb/s. Vudu three bar HDX is around 9Mb/s. But Roku doesn't offer VUDU on their devices.
And that is one person. So if you to take those amounts, what happens when you have a family of five, all using bandwidth daily? It can easily exceed those numbers.
Although I easily exceed 300GB just by myself. On just one day this month, when I was backing up some content to online storage, I used around 70GB. |
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| said by aaronwt:And that is one person. So if you to take those amounts, what happens when you have a family of five, all using bandwidth daily? It can easily exceed those numbers. See my reply above for my answer to this question.
said by aaronwt:Although I easily exceed 300GB just by myself. On just one day this month, when I was backing up some content to online storage, I used around 70GB.
And I regularly use >10GB/mo on my cell phone plan (thank god for grandfathered unlimited data) and have reached 600GB/mo before on my wireline. What's the point? Neither one of us is a "typical" user. You can't take numbers like that and apply them to John Q. Public. |
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aaronwtPremium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| said by Crookshanks:said by aaronwt:And that is one person. So if you to take those amounts, what happens when you have a family of five, all using bandwidth daily? It can easily exceed those numbers. See my reply above for my answer to this question. said by aaronwt:Although I easily exceed 300GB just by myself. On just one day this month, when I was backing up some content to online storage, I used around 70GB.
And I regularly use >10GB/mo on my cell phone plan (thank god for grandfathered unlimited data) and have reached 600GB/mo before on my wireline. What's the point? Neither one of us is a "typical" user. You can't take numbers like that and apply them to John Q. Public. I'm taking those numbers and comparing them to families of 4, 5, and 6 that I know. They all easily exceed 300GB in every month. With each user, especially the kids, streamig content to their many electronic devices every day while at home. |
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| said by aaronwt:I'm taking those numbers and comparing them to families of 4, 5, and 6 that I know. They all easily exceed 300GB in every month. With each user, especially the kids, streamig content to their many electronic devices every day while at home.
You still haven't answered my question about why this should matter? A household of six should pay the same as a household of one? Why? |
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| So should a household of 6 pay more than a household of one when it comes to phone service and TV service?
But to answer your silly question, Yes they should pay the same as it cost them virtually nothing to provide a household of 6 (or 1) with 1TB of data use a month over a household of 6 (or 1) that uses 10GB a month. |
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aaronwtPremium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| reply to Crookshanks
said by Crookshanks:said by aaronwt:I'm taking those numbers and comparing them to families of 4, 5, and 6 that I know. They all easily exceed 300GB in every month. With each user, especially the kids, streamig content to their many electronic devices every day while at home.
You still haven't answered my question about why this should matter? A household of six should pay the same as a household of one? Why? Just like electrcity, it doesn't matter how many people live there. Or phone service or Tv service. |
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| said by aaronwt:Just like electrcity, it doesn't matter how many people live there. Uhh, yes it does, unless you can make your household of six use the same amount of electricity as a household of one.
Phone service does cost more unless you have an unlimited long distance plan. Such plans are only possible because of the ridiculously low bandwidth requirements for voice. Even at that you'll still pay more for wireless service for a large household, unless each household member is willing to share the same phone. Ditto for wireline service if you need the ability to make simultaneous calls.
Bad analogy, it doesn't require additional infrastructure to feed multiple television sets. Television is a one-to-many broadcast medium. Data delivery is almost uniformly unicast, and you can not dispute the fact that a higher average bitrate requires a larger infrastructure investment on the part of the ISP. |
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EDIT: your phone argument makes no sense being a house of 1 or 50 still pays the same for a phone line. How it is used is not relevant as using your broadband connection for pay services can add to that cost, so can long distance. |
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 BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to aaronwt
said by aaronwt:Roku is only using lower bitrate streams for their content. Even Netflix 1080P HD content is only around 5Mb/s. Netflix's highest bitrate is 5 mbps. So roku is using the highest it can. Also Netflix looks fine at 5 Mbps. If someone is that much of a videophile they can see some difference or is unsatisfied with that quality perhaps they should just use blu-rays. |
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to aaronwt
said by aaronwt:I'm taking those numbers and comparing them to families of 4, 5, and 6 that I know. They all easily exceed 300GB in every month. With each user, especially the kids, streamig content to their many electronic devices every day while at home. household of 6 internet users? Simple 2 accounts. Now you get 600 GB a month. |
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 NightfallMy Goal Is To Deny YoursPremium,MVM
join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
 ·Comcast
 ·Callcentric
 ·Site5.com
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said by Skippy25:Keep grasping.... you may be able to get out of that intellectual black hole you are stuck in.
EDIT: your phone argument makes no sense being a house of 1 or 50 still pays the same for a phone line. How it is used is not relevant as using your broadband connection for pay services can add to that cost, so can long distance.
Wow, he brings up valid points and thats the best you can come up with? I guess you are conceding?
It is still a higher cost plan to have an unlimited plan as opposed to a 500 minute plan for phone.
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bn1221
join:2009-04-29
Cortland, NY | reply to BF69
The VC1 on the Roku means even 1mbit cable on 22inch LCD looks rather good. Don't yell - I'm being serious. |
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to Skippy25
said by Skippy25:Keep grasping.... you may be able to get out of that intellectual black hole you are stuck in.
EDIT: your phone argument makes no sense being a house of 1 or 50 still pays the same for a phone line. How it is used is not relevant as using your broadband connection for pay services can add to that cost, so can long distance.
Actually I remember long distance calls being per minute charged unless you got an unlimited plan. So yes household size could very well matter. Also on our cell phone plan we have 700 minutes. I'm pretty sure 1 person vs 50 would make a difference if we went over or not. |
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