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RobThompson
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Lasalle, QC

Is anyone using Google Voice+ on their cell phone?

Hello:

I'm looking for information about setting up and using Google Voice in Canada from people who are currently using it.

Any tips or links would be appreciated.

Rob.


HiVolt
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I've not used Google Voice, but there's a free app called Dell Voice (ironically) that gives you a free local phone number, and you have unlimited local and long distance with it.

I've used it bunch of times, works pretty well.



Guspaz
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reply to RobThompson
Google Voice is not available in Canada outside of Calgary, and the hoops you need to jump through to make that practical just aren't worth it.
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decx
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Vancouver, BC

reply to RobThompson
Well if you have a iPhone you can always use the Talkatone app to make GV/Gtalk calls. Feature is also available on Android. Not sure about other platforms but there is a good chance there would be.

Other than that there are other more circuitous methods to access GV.



TLS2000
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reply to RobThompson

Re: Is anyone using Google Voice+ on their cell phone?

I'm using it strictly for free SMS calls in the US. I have a Chicago number assigned to me. I've long since lost access to the freephoneline Calgary number that I set up to work with it. I've never used it for voice.
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Paolo
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i got a very good cellphone plan to begin with, so there is no need for me to use google plus, but if you have a very basic plan and a good data package, i dont see why not, but then u gotta live with having 2 numbers, convincing people to call u on your google voice number instead of your cell number. it might get a bit confusing.
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zorxd

join:2010-02-05
Quebec, QC
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reply to RobThompson
I use Google Voice. I have a US number and I don't care. It allows me to send and receive SMS for free, is well integrated with my phone and is ad-free. I will never pay for SMS, it's a matter of principle.

In short you only need to register from a US IP address. Either ask a friend there to do it for you, do it while you travel, or use a proxy.

During the registration you will need to provide a temporary US number from which you can answer and get a pin number. Many people use ipkall for that, but again, it's simpler if you know a friend in the US.

For calls I agree it's not worth it. VoIP.ms is cheap enough that I don't care.

convincing people to call u on your google voice number instead of your cell number. it might get a bit confusing

I tell people to call me on my home VoIP number, which also rings on my cell phone.
I also tell people to email and/or chat with me instead of sending me stupid SMS which could cost them money and are limited in characters. But if they really want to SMS me, then I give them my GV number. Yes i'd prefer to be able to receive SMS to my VoIP.ms number, but I can live with it.
No one knows my cell phone number, me included, as I only use it for data.

MaynardKrebs
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reply to RobThompson
Speaking of Google Voice etc.... an associate of mine is heading off to Malaysia in a couple of days and I need to be able to reliably reach him on his iPhone and vice versa.

Any inexpensive ways to do that for a week?


zorxd

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said by MaynardKrebs:

Speaking of Google Voice etc.... an associate of mine is heading off to Malaysia in a couple of days and I need to be able to reliably reach him on his iPhone and vice versa.

Any inexpensive ways to do that for a week?

Might not be what you are looking for but... VoIP when he's on a Wifi hotspot.
The other option is to buy a SIM card over there but not sure it's worth it for a week.

decx
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Vancouver, BC

reply to MaynardKrebs

said by MaynardKrebs:

Speaking of Google Voice etc.... an associate of mine is heading off to Malaysia in a couple of days and I need to be able to reliably reach him on his iPhone and vice versa.

Any inexpensive ways to do that for a week?

Not really. The only reliable methods are roaming with his iPhone or gets a local paygo phone. Any cheap/free method would require finding open wifi which is never reliable.


RobThompson
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Lasalle, QC

reply to zorxd
Anveo phone numbers allow SMS. An Anveo DID only costs $2.00 USD per month.

Rob.



gotIt

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reply to RobThompson
Hey there. I read your post last week and decided to see if it was possible, and I managed to figure it out after reading a few guides online.

What you have to do is get an SIP account from iptel.org. Use a valid e-mail. The phone number it asks you to enter when you register can be any number, it doesn't matter. Take note of your SIP address. It will be in the confirmation e-mail. It's username@iptel.org.

Once that's done, you need to get a US number from ipkall.com. When you sign up, it will ask you for your SIP number and SIP proxy. For your SIP number, enter just the username you have on iptel. If my SIP address is username@iptel.org, then I would enter username. When it asks you for SIP proxy, enter iptel.org.

Next step is to use hidemyass.com or any US based HTTP and SOCKS4/5 (they can be two different proxies) to login to Google Voice and sign up for a phone number. If the proxies worked, it should be obvious how to obtain the number.

During the process of obtaining the GV number, it will ask you for a call forwarding number. You want to enter the phone number you signed up for from ipkall. It should be a normal PTSN phone number. Check your e-mail from ipkall. Before you continue, read on.

You need to get a SIP app on your phone. There are lots to choose from. This whole thing will work with any phone that can support an SIP application. In that SIP application, add your SIP account from iptel.org. Your SIP application will ask you for your username, password, and proxy server. Enter your full username from iptel into the username (from my previous example, I would enter username@iptel.org). Enter your password. And finally, enter iptel.org into the proxy server field. Connect with the account.

Go back to Google Voice, and continue with the process. After entering your ipkall PTSN number, continue. You will see a 2-digit confirmation number. GV will call you on your ipkall number, which will ring your iptel account in your mobile SIP application. Pick up the call, and enter your confirmation code when it asks. You should now have a GV number.

You are now essentially done. When you want to place an outbound call on your mobile phone via Google Voice, go to the GV mobile interface. When you enter the number you wish to connect to, it will ask you whether you want to place the call through GV or through the call forwarding number you entered during registration. Choose the call forwarding number. What happens next is amazing.

As long as your SIP application is open on your phone, you will receive an inbound IP call. Answer the call, and it will initiate an outbound IP call to your destination number. When they pick up, you will be connected.

Good luck! If there are any questions, ask and I'll do my best to help.



RobThompson
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gotIt, what an amazing post!!!!

Thanks for taking the time to research and then create it.

I will give it a try.

Thanks again,

Rob.



gotIt

@74.198.9.x

No problem, and you're welcome!

There is a relevant xkcd to every situation.

After seeing that comic, I always post solutions when I have them.



r81984
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reply to RobThompson
I use GV in the US for my cell phone for voicemail only.
It transcribes my voice mails and emails them to me.
When I was in Canada 2 years ago we could not sign up my friend with his Canada number.
I think GV can be registered for canada if you can get a temp voip 403 (alberta) phone number to set it up with. I dont know if that still works.

Dell Launches Dell Voice, similar to Google Voice, but for Canada
»digitaljournal.com/article/319365
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Guspaz
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Montreal, QC
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reply to RobThompson
Just realize that the more you bounce a VoIP stream around, the more you proxy and VPN it, the higher the latency is going to be, and the less usable it will be.
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gotIt

@74.198.9.x

said by Guspaz:

Just realize that the more you bounce a VoIP stream around, the more you proxy and VPN it, the higher the latency is going to be, and the less usable it will be.

Very true. Testing this method, I noticed a ~ 0.5s delay in getting voice to the other end. However, it's a shitty old Nokia S60v5 with data speeds around 3500/400 on Fido's network. If you have a better phone and better data speeds, I presume it might reduce that delay.

I actually called my college registrar yesterday morning using this method, and although the delay was noticeable (one person says something, only to have what you said half a second ago transmit and they stop mid sentence because it seems like you interrupted them even though you started talking when there was silence on the other end), it wasn't that bad. There's no way I would use this as a primary line. Currently, it serves as my outgoing call line before 6pm, when my evening minutes kick in.

There's another way to do this, although since the call still gets switched a few times over the internet, I'm not sure how much it will actually help.

If you have free incoming calls, you can obtain a Calgary number from freephoneline, forward that number to your cell phone, and set your GV number to forward to your Calgary number. What will then happen is GV will initiate a call through the web interface, your FPL line will ring, and instead of you having to pick that call up to initiate an outbound call, it will forward the call to your cell, and then you can pick up the call on your cell to initiate the outbound call to your destination number.

The above method will use minutes, but if you have unlimited incoming, it's not problem. If you have a My5 type of plan, you might be able to do it as well by adding your GV number to your list.

I have't tested the other method at all, so there might be something I'm overlooking that might cause the whole thing to not work. Good luck if you try it, and report back if it works!


RobThompson
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Lasalle, QC
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I have been using the GV plus FreePhone (area code 403) plus Voice+ (or its predecessor) for over a year and it works perfectly - the call quality is excellent.

The problem is that GV setup no longer allows a 403 area code phone number to be used, atleast, it didn't the last time I tried for a friend.

My whole quest is to find 'the' way to get the lowest cost, highest voice quality with the most minutes for my, and my friends, cell phone(s) - I just can't believe how expensive this cell phone stuff can be!

I am now testing Guapaz's suggestion of SipDroid direct to my Anveo voip service (I use an Obi ATA & Anveo for our home phone). I haven't made many cell calls yet but so far, so good.

Anyway, thanks for your help and your super quality post on GV, iptel & ipkal.

Rob.


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