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Postal
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join:2000-08-30
Simi Valley, CA

Can they 'hook up' cable with no TV present?

Moving to an apartment in Simi Valley, CA next month. I want to have TWC come out on the 14th for a cable/internet install (current residents have TWC, so the cable lines are there already), but there won't be a TV in the residence at the time.

Can they just check the line and leave the cable box, or do they need a TV there?
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Jabbu
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join:2002-03-06

TV is not needed, but recommended to confirm HD picture settings are correct and HDMI out is working.

If a family member has a small HDTV, like 20"ish it would be perfect to bring over while the tech is there.



CptGemini
Inside your computer
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join:2004-11-29
Corpus Christi, TX
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said by Jabbu:

If a family member has a small HDTV, like 20"ish it would be perfect to bring over while the tech is there.

Or a computer monitor with HDMI on it
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Xsk8er

join:2001-01-02
Columbus, OH

reply to Postal
TV is recommended to ensure everything is working before the tech leaves...

Otherwise there is no way to verify which means you could pay for a tech visit later if things really don't work the first time!


Mele20
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join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
kudos:4

reply to Postal
If the current residents have TWC then why do they need to come out at all? Just place your order and go by the office and pick up the cable box. Or, if you really want them to come out, then just have them check the internet side...you will have a computer, right?

I'd ask if they could just transfer the current resident's cable box to your name. That would be the simplest way.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson


NightOwl2

join:2012-03-19

Self-install for new accounts is not available with TWC. The current tenant's account needs to be closed and their equipment returned, or possibly transferred to their new address.

If the new sub and previous tenant know each other, and want to do a tenant takeover, that requires signed forms. The entire account has to be transferred, not just a cable box. The transferring tenant also does not get the deposit refund, since it goes along with the account. It is not a simple process.

With a tenant takeover, the new sub also gets whatever package issued to the account. Otherwise, he probably would get a new promo. It is not uncommon, at least in NYC, for subscribers to start a new package when moving and then cancel the old service.


TWCdude

join:2006-04-28
San Antonio, TX
kudos:23

reply to Mele20
Regarding self installs for new accts it depends on the region we have a program now called EZ connect. If the house had service within 24 months we can do a tap install. Basically you either have the equip mailed out or you can pick it up at the service center and a tech will go out on the scheduled date and hook up the outside line and the rest of the install is done by you, however if you prefer a tech install that can be done for a extra fee


Mele20
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Hilo, HI
kudos:4

reply to NightOwl2
What deposit refund? Is there a deposit on a cable box? There is no deposit on a cable modem from TWC (unless that has been implemented since I got Road Runner). I've never had a cable box as my building is bulk analog and there is no bill from OTWC. The bulk rate for analog cable is paid as part of the rent. I have no idea what the rate is currently since it is just "part of the rent" for the condo. OTWC did not know that I existed from 1975 (when bulk analog cable TV came to my building) until Road Runner became available in June 2001 and I got it. I did not have to put a deposit on the modem.

Packages....I wish Oceanic TWC could get packages straight. They cannot get billing for RR correct for all the many apartment and condo buildings that all have bulk analog cable TV. When I call about a TV problem, they have to look up my account under Road Runner. Bulk analog cable TV is a mess here and yet it is in almost all apt/condo buildings.
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Mele20
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Hilo, HI
kudos:4

reply to TWCdude

said by TWCdude:

Regarding self installs for new accts it depends on the region we have a program now called EZ connect. If the house had service within 24 months we can do a tap install. Basically you either have the equip mailed out or you can pick it up at the service center and a tech will go out on the scheduled date and hook up the outside line and the rest of the install is done by you, however if you prefer a tech install that can be done for a extra fee

That makes sense for houses. I thought this person was in an apartment though. I assumed the building has bulk analog cable TV so I still can't understand why TWC can't just switch the account in the office and even let the new tenant use the cable box that the old tenant had. But if the box has to be returned by the old tenant, it still seems to me that all the new tenant would need to do would be to go to the office and get a cable box and hook it up. There would be no need to do anything else. If the tenant was like me, he would just not rent the box and watch HD channels via clear qam and the other channels via the building's bulk analog.

Soon the new tenant can use his own cable box that he can take with him if he later moves again and all he would need do then would be call TWC and have the service turned on and billing set up (if he moves to either another apartment with bulk cable for that building or to a house as you mentioned that has had service within 24 months). When I can buy my box then I will be far more likely to order digital cable so I am happy that is coming soon.
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rcdailey
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join:2005-03-29
Rialto, CA
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I remember when phone companies were deregulated and I had the opportunity to either turn in the phones I had or buy them from Pacific Bell. I elected to buy one desk phone, which turned out to be a waste of money. The rest of the phones I replaced with inexpensive "tweety bird" phones. I called them that because the ringers sounded like a bird tweeting. Those turned out to be junk and I eventually replaced them with Trimline phones. Now, some thirty years later, the phone you take with you is one you can put in your pocket or your purse, or wear on your belt.

In the near future, that may be the way TV is handled, rather than using a box, you just take your TV wherever and it will work, connecting by broadband or by wifi or by whatever the next breakthrough may be. It could be a 3D holographic TV, connecting wirelessly, for that matter, and the device might be relatively small.

»news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/c···3762.stm

This doesn't look quite so sexy as having an image pop up in the middle of the room so you could sit around it, as in theater in the round, but maybe down the road a bit, it will be possible to do just that. If they can make it smaller and more portable, who knows?
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DrDrew
So that others may surf.

join:2009-01-28
SoCal
kudos:8

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reply to Mele20

said by Mele20:

Soon the new tenant can use his own cable box ... When I can buy my box then I will be far more likely to order digital cable so I am happy that is coming soon.

What event do you think is coming soon that will allow you to buy cable boxes other than Tivo?

What other makers have announced they are going to make Digital Cable Ready boxes available?

Do you think AllVid will see the light of day sometime in the next 5 years?


maartena
Elmo
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join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
kudos:1

said by DrDrew:

said by Mele20:

Soon the new tenant can use his own cable box ... When I can buy my box then I will be far more likely to order digital cable so I am happy that is coming soon.

What event do you think is coming soon that will allow you to buy cable boxes other than Tivo?

You can build your own with a CableCard PCIExpress card:

»cetoncorp.com/products/infinitv-4-pcie/

That thing has 4 tuners, and you can decide completely for yourself what OS you want to use, what kind of case you want to build it in, what kind of remote you want, how much disk space you want to award to it, etc.

If you want to go budget, there is this as well:

»www.everythingusb.com/hauppauge-···326.html

The BYO option though.... seems very interesting. Sure, there are some things you cannot do with CableCard (such as order Pay-Per-View and do Video-On-Demand) but if you just want to have control over your own box, it might be a great alternative.

And recording 4 HD stations at once is pretty cool.
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DrDrew
So that others may surf.

join:2009-01-28
SoCal
kudos:8

I guarantee Mele20 is not thinking about rolling her own cablebox with a HTPC.

Besides those have been around in various forms for years. That's not an event that will happen "soon" like Mele20 is writing about.


NightOwl2

join:2012-03-19

reply to TWCdude
EZ Connect in NYC is not applicable for a new install or transfer, (which is a new connect) perhaps it is different in Texas and California. The requirements here allow for self-install of phone, internet, and cable box/dvr. No whole house DVR. Subscribers must have at least standard cable, (not basic) and active outlet.


NightOwl2

join:2012-03-19

reply to Mele20
There has been a flat $25 equipment deposit in NYC area for at least 5 years, if not more. Cable/hsi and or/phone. One deposit for a modem, or cable box, or modem/and all cable boxes. Not all buildings are bulk analog. There are thousands of MDU's where subscribers can choose TWC, Verizon and RCN, and any other service allowed by building managers. Many apartments are owned, not rented.

If the building does have a partnership with TWC, there is also hsi and phone available. I have rarely seen a bulk account with $0 charged for cable. Usually it is discounted, such as a package costing $85.99 might be $55.99.


25139889

join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH

reply to Postal
Once the current customer issues disconnect you should be able to go in and transfer the address to your name. you set your own services up, etc, but you can pick up your own boxes, etc. You can even do this at their local office. It's the best and the easiest as you don't have to deal with someone on the phone that chances are doesn't know anything.



hobgoblin
Sortof Agoblin
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join:2001-11-25
Orchard Park, NY
kudos:8

"It's the best and the easiest as you don't have to deal with someone on the phone that chances are doesn't know anything."

I really hate general statements like this.

Hob
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Xsk8er

join:2001-01-02
Columbus, OH
Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse
·Insight Communic..

reply to NightOwl2

said by NightOwl2:

There has been a flat $25 equipment deposit in NYC area for at least 5 years, if not more. Cable/hsi and or/phone. One deposit for a modem, or cable box, or modem/and all cable boxes. Not all buildings are bulk analog. There are thousands of MDU's where subscribers can choose TWC, Verizon and RCN, and any other service allowed by building managers. Many apartments are owned, not rented.

If the building does have a partnership with TWC, there is also hsi and phone available. I have rarely seen a bulk account with $0 charged for cable. Usually it is discounted, such as a package costing $85.99 might be $55.99.

Deposits are also used on "risky" customers who may not pass credit checks.... Helps work towards possible equipment loss if the customer does not pay for the service and does not return Time Warner's equipment.

Mele20
Premium
join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
kudos:4

reply to maartena
Wow! That Centon infinitv-4 is very neat! But I didn't read anything there about using various OSes (it states Windows 7 Media Center is required). And what about a case or remote? It's a card either internal PCIExpress or external USB (if you don't have an available PCIe slot on your computer). Why would you need a case? As for the remote, I assume you can use the one that comes with your TV right?

The only thing you won't have is two way stuff which you don't get currently with one way cable cards anyway. But I would have to subscribe to digital cable to use this infintv 4 device plus pay the monthly cable card charge. No one at Oceanic seems to know what the cost is for us in analog bulk buildings if we move to digital cable. I have been quoted prices from $10 to $50 more monthly (that's in addition to the bulk rate charge for analog basic and value channels that I already pay). Plus, no one has any idea what will happen when TWC goes all digital ....if each building will need to negotiate a new bulk contract with Oceanic or what (my building has had a bulk contract with Oceanic TWC and its predecessors since 1975).

Each CSR has sworn their quote is the only correct one. My next door neighbor recently went through the same crap and the people next to him have yet another price and neither apt has anything except Standard digital added to the bulk analog rate...no additional stuff like HD Entertainment Pak or Premium packages ... yet different prices for each unit. That is obviously wrong. I don't have patience with poorly trained CSRs and Oceanic TWC has the worst trained CSRs I have ever encountered...they have always been very poorly trained with each CSR giving a totally different answer for the same question. The CSRs are very nice folks...never met an Oceanic employee (except one high management guy that is gone now) I didn't like but nice or not the CSRs are poorly trained. I can just imagine the problems trying to do this. With the price for the Infinitv 4 being $200, monthly cable card charge, tuning adapter (for SDV) charge (don't know if that is one time or monthly and I'll get different answers if I ask several CSRs), and digital cable charge, the only savings is on the rental of the digital box. Of course, this would enable me to avoid the digital box and be able to use my Samsung remote instead of Oceanic's remote and I would love that but there isn't much savings involved in doing this.

Luckily, I am about to finally buy a new computer and the hard drive on the one I am considering the most is humungous which I didn't think I'd need but if I got this infinitv-4 I would need a lot of space!
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Mele20
Premium
join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
kudos:4

reply to NightOwl2

said by NightOwl2:

There has been a flat $25 equipment deposit in NYC area for at least 5 years, if not more. Cable/hsi and or/phone. One deposit for a modem, or cable box, or modem/and all cable boxes. Not all buildings are bulk analog. There are thousands of MDU's where subscribers can choose TWC, Verizon and RCN, and any other service allowed by building managers. Many apartments are owned, not rented.

If the building does have a partnership with TWC, there is also hsi and phone available. I have rarely seen a bulk account with $0 charged for cable. Usually it is discounted, such as a package costing $85.99 might be $55.99.

You have choices in a big city like NYC. Here in Hawaii most of us have only TWC. While condos are required to allow tenants to install satellite dishes many condos (like mine) have no Southern view so that is not an option either. There are no other cable companies here as TWC has a state wide franchise. IPtv via our local phone company is in beta on Oahu only and probably will never come to the neighbor islands besides we cannot even get DSL where I live in the second largest city in Hawaii...so very different situation here from a place like NYC. I am not sure what ownership of the apt/condo has to do with any of this. My condo has owner occupants and renters as many units are bought as investments and not for the buyer to live in. The bulk rate is part of the monthly maintenance fee which is a set rate based on the size of the unit. The bulk analog rate is the same for every unit and this is the case also for the other condos down here on the ocean. All have had TWC bulk analog since the mid 70's. I used to want HBO but these bulk buildings could never get it because it was on a low channel and could not be scrambled for those not ordering it...there have been (until digital cable came about) lots of channels like that which the bulk rate buildings could not get.

Road Runner is not bulk for this building. We were told we had to get at least ten units to sign up for it to get a bulk rate and only 6 wanted it..that was about 3-4 years ago. You can get Oceanic phone but at the standard price - no bulk rate. I didn't mean to imply that bulk rate for analog was $0 here. I just don't know what it is currently as it is part of the maintenance fee for each unit and I don't even know what that is for the size unit I have as that can change from year to year. The bulk analog fee is simply lumped into one's rent if one is renting the unit...it is not itemized or separate from the rent for the unit. I'd have to ask a board member what it is currently. I paid it for ten years (until last Sept) when I did not have a TV at all. You can't rent a unit in a bulk building and say you don't want to pay the analog fee because you don't have a TV. You have to pay it anyway because the owner of the unit you rent has to pay it and he passes that on to the renter.
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