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jakkwb

join:2009-04-27
USA

Expansion recommendations

Hello all,

I have been OKed to expand into one town around me, and waiting on approval on a second, both using each towns water supply tank. My competition is already on each tank, using 5.7PTP and 2.4 omnis for PTMP.

I intend to use sectors so I can reuse two channels back to back and not interfere with their one channel in use.

I need to go a maximum of five to six miles out on each on PTMP.

Each area is mostly open farm land, few trees inside each town, but the tanks are pretty tall (100+ ft).

Please give me recommendations, I would like this to work the first time and not cause interference probs with my competition.


grayfox

join:2007-12-10
Whitby, ON

If you don't want to cause him issues only deploy 5ghz.

edit: Are you using canopy ?


jakkwb

join:2009-04-27
USA

reply to jakkwb
I would prefer to use Canopy. I have not used Ubnt yet except for a nanobridge I just setup. I am waiting on their GPS sync to work, whenever that happens.

I was afraid that would be the case. If I use 5.x, I definitely have to get 5 to 6 miles out of it.



Semaphore
Premium
join:2003-11-18
101010

reply to jakkwb
Is there a business case if the competition is already there AND they are going to use the same POP as you ? Pretty hard winning market share under those circumstances.


jakkwb

join:2009-04-27
USA

reply to jakkwb
Well, it would be if their customer tech support was, um, existant. I take disgruntled customers from them all the time.



Semaphore
Premium
join:2003-11-18
101010

Fair Enough. Why not 5.7 and 3.65 then ? Stay away from anything they can intentionally (or otherwise) mess up on you.
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Edit: Can't spell


jakkwb

join:2009-04-27
USA

reply to jakkwb
I could possibly dodge around their 2.4 omnis, but it would probably be a little tricky.


jakkwb

join:2009-04-27
USA

reply to jakkwb
I would like to try out Canopy 3.65, since it has working GPS, but the SM prices are way high.

I have read that Ubiquiti's 3.65 does not work very well with sector antennas, and besides that, they cannot yet use all the freq available. GPS?.....



Semaphore
Premium
join:2003-11-18
101010

I have a lot of UB 3.65 in the field. No problem if you do proper frequency planning. Yes. So far only the bottom half of the band is available. In Canada only sectors for 3.65. Don't know about US.


jakkwb

join:2009-04-27
USA

Speaking of Wimax, has anyone out there tried Aperto gear?



Semaphore
Premium
join:2003-11-18
101010

Yes. I didn't like it. AP/CPE cost was in the Motorola/Cambium range. Server and software costs added up to be to high for the market I'm in.
And WiMax Latency is minimum 20ms. Configuring the QOS/streams was a PITA.

BTW UBNT 3.65 is not WiMax.



treichhart

join:2006-12-12

reply to jakkwb
the reason why Ubnt is not wimax is because you dont have to register it but if you want wimax from ubnt you have to register that. There Semaphore they even state that.



Inssomniak
The Glitch
Premium
join:2005-04-06
Cayuga, ON
kudos:1

said by treichhart:

the reason why Ubnt is not wimax is because you dont have to register it but if you want wimax from ubnt you have to register that. There Semaphore they even state that.

Im not aware of any ubiquiti product that is 802.16
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treichhart

join:2006-12-12

reply to jakkwb
I am not any other product is even 802.16 is either then please dont say alvarion is because is not.


jcremin

join:2009-12-22
Siren, WI
kudos:2

reply to treichhart

said by treichhart:

the reason why Ubnt is not wimax is because you dont have to register it but if you want wimax from ubnt you have to register that. There Semaphore they even state that.

The reason UBNT isn't WiMax because it is simply 802.11a down-converted from 5ghz.

gunther_01
Premium
join:2004-03-29
Saybrook, IL

reply to treichhart

said by treichhart:

the reason why Ubnt is not wimax is because you dont have to register it but if you want wimax from ubnt you have to register that. There Semaphore they even state that.

This is totally FALSE information. You HAVE to register EVERY 3.65 device from UBNT to be legal. You HAVE to register it PRIOR to usage as well. That IS the law. Clients, AP's, PtP's, all of them in the U.S.

Show me other wise where UBNT is, and certified, a mobile device to circumvent that law..
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treichhart

join:2006-12-12

reply to jakkwb
gunther_01 didnt you see where I said "wimax from ubnt you have to register that" if your not using 3.65 but using 3Ghz you do not have to register it. So anything 3.65 yes you have to register it.



Inssomniak
The Glitch
Premium
join:2005-04-06
Cayuga, ON
kudos:1

said by treichhart:

gunther_01 didnt you see where I said "wimax from ubnt you have to register that" if your not using 3.65 but using 3Ghz you do not have to register it. So anything 3.65 yes you have to register it.

I can see how he read it that way, sometimes your posts are kinda hard to interpret. I read it the same way he did.
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Semaphore
Premium
join:2003-11-18
101010

reply to treichhart
I must say you've confused me. 3.65 by UBNT is not WiMax. WiMax is Frequency Agnostic for the most part. In Canada it's only the AP Side that must be registered in 3.65.



treichhart

join:2006-12-12

reply to jakkwb
Sorry if you cant understand some of my post and there is some post I cant understand what you guys are saying on here so.

So Basically all 3.65 as to be registered here in the States it dont matter if Ubnt isnt really wimax or not.


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