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Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info quote:
We are aware of the concern and have a fix that will be released in a future version of Firefox.
I'm sure it wasn't deliberate, but this is a good example of why they need to slow down their release schedule a little. You can't just say "oops" and count on the user base all getting the word they need to change a setting.
After all, with silent updates Mozilla took responsibility for security, and they pushed the hell out of FF13 with dire warnings about same. |
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We are aware of the concern and have a fix that will be released in a future version of Firefox.
I'm sure it wasn't deliberate, It wasn't an accident.
The developers thought it was a good feature. |
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Mele20Premium
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said by Snowy:said by goalieskates: quote:
We are aware of the concern and have a fix that will be released in a future version of Firefox.
I'm sure it wasn't deliberate, It wasn't an accident. The developers thought it was a good feature. No, they thought that since Chrome has the feature, and Opera then decided to add it, that Fx better have it also....heaven forbid that Fx actually be a unique browser rather than a "me too" one constantly imitating the rival it fears.
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| I am glad to see that it is easy to turn the new tab feature off, because it was somewhat annoying to have the screen open with all the "thumbnails." To find out that using the thumbnails, which I never did, to open a link would be a security issue, was more than annoying.
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| said by rcdailey:I am glad to see that it is easy to turn the new tab feature off, because it was somewhat annoying to have the screen open with all the "thumbnails." To find out that using the thumbnails, which I never did, to open a link would be a security issue, was more than annoying. Luddite!   |
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 Grail KnightQui audet adipisciturPremium
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The developers thought it was a good feature.
Well it is a good feature IMO abet not planned out with an eye on security yet as it is easily disabled the issue is fixing it and letting users now about the potential security issue.
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DavesnothereNo-BHELL-ity DOES have its Advantages
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said by Mele20:....heaven forbid that Fx actually be a unique browser rather than a "me too" one constantly imitating the rival it fears.
Very True.
More recently along the way, Fx has changed many functionalities/layouts/appearances to be more like the newer IE, enough so that MY goat has been gotten.
I feel that one of the larger OLD reasons for many of us switching to earlier Fx from IE (other than security) was that M$ had made such drastic changes in IE7 (& Vista) that Fx became a way to have a newer browser which looked more like IE6, but with TABs, a reason quite valid at the time.
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kudos:1 | said by Davesnothere:said by Mele20:....heaven forbid that Fx actually be a unique browser rather than a "me too" one constantly imitating the rival it fears.
Very True. More recently along the way, Fx has changed many functionalities/layouts/appearances to be more like the newer IE, enough so that MY goat has been gotten. My Firefox 13 looks and functions (on the surface) to how it did before they made massive changes to it for Firefox 4. It's the joy of extensions and appearences. |
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4 edits | said by Xioden:My Firefox 13 looks and functions (on the surface) how it did before they made massive changes to it for Firefox 4. It's the joy of extensions and appearances.
This is not my own saying, but I get plenty of mileage out of it :
CHANGE isn't necessarily PROGRESS.
To expand upon what I suggested in the remainder of my above post which you quoted, FireFox 4 was a crossroads for me.
The last version of FF which I still sometimes use in my own machines is their 3.6 series.
Ah yes, folks, remember 3.6 ? - the last FireFox before they started changing the major version numbers nearly every time we wiped our collective arses ?
Even FF 3.6 (and/or some version between it and 2.0) also introduced changes for the sake of changes, but I tolerated those.
I submit that from a cosmetic and ergonomic viewpoint, IE versions 5 and 6 were the pinnacle of browser GUIs - simple yet CUSTOMIZABLE in layout (unlike later IE), and other than adding tabbed browsing, no other changes in default appearance were necessary after that point in browser development.
I now mostly use IE8 (tried IE9 but M$ took away some IE8 functions which mattered to me), and am cautiously optimistic about current Opera series 11+ (it includes a VERY customizable layout).
Opera also still supports Win2k, and Win2K is not dead yet.
EDIT : One More Thing [RIP Peter Falk] :
When Google finally brings Chrome out of BETA, I MIGHT consider trying it. 
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kudos:1 | said by Davesnothere:said by Xioden:My Firefox 13 looks and functions (on the surface) how it did before they made massive changes to it for Firefox 4. It's the joy of extensions and appearances.
This is not my own saying, but I get plenty of mileage out of it : CHANGE isn't necessarily PROGRESS.To expand upon what I suggested in the remainder of my above post which you quoted, FireFox 4 was a crossroads for me. The last version of FF which I still sometimes use in my own machines is their 3.6 series. Ah yes, folks, remember 3.6 ? - the last FireFox before they started changing the major version numbers nearly every time we wiped our collective arses ? Even FF 3.6 (and/or some version between it and 2.0) also introduced changes for the sake of changes, but I tolerated those. I submit that from a cosmetic and ergonomic viewpoint, IE versions 5 and 6 were the pinnacle of browser GUIs - simple yet CUSTOMIZABLE in layout (unlike later IE), and other than adding tabbed browsing, no other changes in default appearance were necessary after that point in browser development. Yup, I agree, I also would have stuck with Firefox 3.6 more likely than not had I not been able to change it back to how it was (see screenshot). I don't have the bookmark toolbar showing (and I didn't disable addons), but other than that, my addons, and a slightly different back/forward button and combined refresh and stop button it looks and feels the same.
This and this are all that is need to get it back the 3.6 look.
I also use Chrome a lot for videos/netflix/etc. It has a pop-out+always on top option for any video which I find handy. |
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2 edits | said by Xioden:Yup, I agree, I also would have stuck with Firefox 3.6 more likely than not had I not been able to change it back to how it was (see screenshot). I don't have the bookmark toolbar showing (and I didn't disable addons), but other than that, my addons, and a slightly different back/forward button and combined refresh and stop button it looks and feels the same.
This and this are all that is need to get it back the 3.6 look.
I also use Chrome a lot for videos/netflix/etc. It has a pop-out+always on top option for any video which I find handy.
Thanks for posting that.
I'll investigate the add-ons, though I think that I demonstrated to myself with version 12 of FF that I could move things around pretty effectively even from a default install and no add-ons.
However, I have some recent other beefs with FF, such as why there is no more 'SAVE ALL TABs as GROUP' option when you click Bookmarks in the top menu - this happened around ver 4 or 5.
There are other issues, and I'll post as they come to mind.
BTW, some irony for y'all is that FF is still issuing updates for series 3.6 and you can find them on sites like FileHippo_com.
And I just got one today from this March : 3.6.28 |
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| said by Davesnothere:BTW, some irony for y'all is that FF is still issuing updates for series 3.6
And I just got one today from this March : 3.6.28
said by Mozilla :Firefox 3.6 is no longer supported
Firefox 3.6.28 is the last version of the old Firefox and won't be updated with security and stability fixes. |
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said by Xioden:My Firefox 13 looks and functions (on the surface) to how it did before they made massive changes to it for Firefox 4. It's the joy of extensions and appearences.
+1 (see my FF 13.0.1 above)
I arrange, add, remove and change as I please. |
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Now THAT's efficient use of space !
A while ago I did similar on IE6, but with the buttons to the LEFT of the menues.
Unfortunately, AFAIK all newer IE does not let anything else share the menu bar, though I would be pleased to hear of a registry edit, if anybody has one.
I once saw a version of McAfee Security which managed to do that for its own bar components, but of course I could not reverse engineer their app to see how they did it.
The same idea as yours also pretty much worked for me in FF12 on a recent Linux install.
Another idea I discovered was to use the Link/Bookmark bar with a series of FOLDERS on it, and each one acts as a drop-down menu for its category of bookmark. - This procedure seems to works in IE, FireFox, and Opera, so far tested.
Is FF still as much of a memory hog as in the past ?
That has been my main reason for using it less and less. |
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Well it is a good feature IMO abet not planned out with an eye on security yet as it is easily disabled the issue is fixing it and letting users now about the potential security issue.
Sadly Grail most ppl DO NOT CARE ABOUT THIER PRIVACY ANYMORE which is why they do things like this! (Thinking no one will say anything) |
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I become worried when they started their unholy alliance with Google. Anything google always raises red flags for me. I mean I can see if they worked out something with a privacy oriented site, like Duck or Ixquick, but google? Lately, having some of the best privacy addons being delisted off their addons repository is also a bit worrisome.
Then we add this HTTPS session capture rubbish, which they should have seen immediately - and don't hotfix ASAP simply adds icing to the cake. I don't trust them, and neither should you. |
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Grail KnightQui audet adipisciturPremium
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Well we are talking about developers here not most people.
The Fx devs have stated they will fix the issue. I do not believe the Fx devs did this because they want to weaken Fx security.
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 therube
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Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info quote:
Is FF still as much of a memory hog as in the past ?
Is it, was it?
Open the same sites in various browsers & compare. |
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therube
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mess around in about:config
Many features in FF are purposely UI barren, you know, to "dumb down" the browser for the masses.
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when they started their unholy alliance with Google
That was a long time ago.
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Duck or Ixquick
And you trust them?
Going forward, FF Google searches will be done over HTTPS.
You want Duck to Ix, you are free to change to them.
You don't want Google, you are free to change from them.
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some of the best privacy addons being delisted off their addons
Such as? And why were they removed?
And why would you even place trust in the addons at all?
Further browser extensions are open doors to infect users.
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HTTPS session capture
It is not an HTTPS session capture feature.
It is a feature that they implemented that happened to capture HTTPS screenshots. |
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