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Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info said by Mele20:....A main reason I have never gotten a laptop has been that those are not only widescreen but highly reflective screens...UGH. I don't watch movies on a computer so I care more about vertical space than horizontal and for the same reason I don't want a reflective screen either.
EXACTLY, and that's how the screen makers screwed the public, all for the sake of only a few bucks saved at THEIR end by giving us about 15% less pixels for a stated diagonal screen size.
IF we wish to watch movies, then LET US CHOOSE to buy a screen suitable for that, such as a TV or monitor with a VGA and/or HDMI jack on it.
said by Mele20:I hope those you have not opened and tried are ok. This one that has been so great (and was sure not a cheap monitor) came DOA along with a new computer back in 2003....
All of mine are of the simpler (and less expensive) design with only VGA inputs, and I have seen at least one of them work OK (I used to sell them in a store I used to have). - It's a shame that you had to endure so much BS to get the one you currently use. |
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And, on the OT of this thread (see first page), I have also confirmed that either proposed method of stopping the thumbnails from appearing in a new tab is valid, as I have successfully tried each on individual machines.
However, the about:config edit does not seem to allow you to toggle the function on and off afterwards as it seems to remove the icon in the top right of the webpage window for doing so, not that this would matter to me. |
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said by FF4m3 :said by Davesnothere:I just happen to LIKE the trick/feature/whatever which lets my many tabs NOT load until I click on each, and wish that Moz had made that setting the default, and had bragged more about it. As stated before, it is the default and they did announce it.
As I posted yesturday, I have just installed FF 13.0.1 onto 3 machines, at least 2 of them as an upgrade from the FF 3.6 series, and all of them defaulted to having the 'Don't Load Tabs Until Selected' option greyed out, and did not let me access that option until I first set FF to 'Show My Windows & Tabs from Last Time'.
I did not test the default behaviour before adjusting things, and judged that if it was not going save and re-display my tabs from my previous session, that the Do Not Load feature would be moot, therefive I enabled the one so that it would let me enable the other, and then enabled the other.
Anyway, I'm very pleased at the reduced resource usage, and at how soon after launching that I can open a new tab and go to a new website, and still access my previous session's tabs at my leisure. 
The 'Don't Load Tabs Until Selected' option gets two thumbs up from me !
My only logistical niggle is that they should not make the one function dependent upon the other, as some folks will overlook it, as some stated in this thread. |
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said by Davesnothere:I just happen to LIKE the trick/feature/whatever which lets my many tabs NOT load until I click on each, and wish that Moz had made that setting the default, and had bragged more about it. As stated before, it is the default and they did announce it. |
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Mele20Premium
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I want a 24" Dell Ultra Sharp monitor and those are only widescreen. I would never though get a monitor smaller than 24" in widescreen. Dell still sells 20" 5:4 ratio Ultra Sharps mostly to businesses. They all have non-reflective screens too. A main reason I have never gotten a laptop has been that those are not only widescreen but highly reflective screens...UGH. I don't watch movies on a computer so I care more about vertical space than horizontal and for the same reason I don't want a reflective screen either.
I hope those you have not opened and tried are ok. This one that has been so great (and was sure not a cheap monitor) came DOA along with a new computer back in 2003. (This monitor was rated by PCWorld tests and Consumer Reports as the best LCD monitor of 2003) yet it arrived DOA. Its replacement gave an error on DVI connection and wouldn't get off the black screen with the error but when I used the analog cable it worked ok. I paid extra for DVI so I made Dell send a third one after they could not figure out the problem over the phone. The third one worked fine but had a faulty power connector on the monitor so that if my hand so much as barely brushed near the connector at the bottom of the monitor the power line would just fall off! So, Dell sent a FOURTH monitor and that one was the one DHL lost for TWO WEEKS (it was sent second day air). It traveled all over the mainland and through Canada and ended up in California not Hawaii. I was pretty sure it would be a mess if they ever found it and delivered it. But when it finally got here, it was fine and has been great all these years and with heavy usage too.
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Even on the 1280x1024 screens, I still saw no reason to waste vertical space and need to scroll more often.
I own several such monitors, new and unopened in boxes (not your model though), and plan to NEVER make the transition to the widescreen bullshit which screen manufacturers rammed down the public's collective throats a few years back. [/rant]
(except unfortunately on my notebook PC, if not at home to plug in a standard profile screen) |
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Ok. Sorry, I misunderstood. I still have a 5:4 ratio 19" LCD Dell Ultrasharp monitor (approaching nine years of age and about 28,000 hours of use). So, I have not yet had to adjust to widescreen monitors but will soon. I might then do what you have done.  I don't like lots of toolbars and only have the Menu bar and Address bar. (My tabs are down the left side of my screen. I use Tabbed Browsing Extensions 3 one of which is Tree Style Tabs).
I think Mozilla did make the New Tab default. I don't know for certain because I have Fx10 ESR that doesn't have the feature.
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said by Mele20:That's crappy. I don't want the address bar on the Menu line! Why did MoFo move it?
Sivran is correct - I moved it.
But that is secondary to why I even BOTHERED to warm up to a recent version of FF.
I just happen to LIKE the trick/feature/whatever which lets my many tabs NOT load until I click on each, and wish that Moz had made that setting the default, and had bragged more about it.
But back to the layout (ALSO OT for this thread  )....
I have shared the menu bar with the address line since IE5, and with today's stupid widescreen displays, I would think that more folks would see the point of prioritizing saving as much as practical of their much diminished vertical space for the actual WEB PAGEs, rather than for menues, buttons, etc.
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They didn't. He did. |
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Mele20Premium
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That's crappy. I don't want the address bar on the Menu line! Why did MoFo move it? |
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hmm? where are the snap shots being stored?
i surf in private mode and don't store/cache any data....
wtf is all this about? |
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Load TABs NOW or LATER said by sivran:Isn't that behavior an option? I recall seeing that option and thinking, "cool, it'll start up quicker and I won't lose all my tabs....
Actually, I just checked. My laptop runs FF 13, and it is a checkbox, "don't load tabs until selected." If I simply uncheck it, all tabs are loaded fully on start up. No tricks, they actually load. Or, no tricks, they don't load until you click them, because you told it not to....
Although this part of the discussion is not the original topic of this thread, it turns out that I'm quite pleased to have stumbled upon it.
Trick or not, engaging this functionality alleviates/eliminates the browser memory consumption catalyzed by Tab-o-Holics such as m'self, and I do not at all mind needing to click on a tab to make it load.
Hey, it's a lot like how bookmarks function, and I'm a Bookmark-o-Holic too.
So far, I have upgraded 2 Vista-SP2 PCs here and 1 XP-SP3 PC each to FF 13.0.1, in order to get and engage this feature, and have figured out how to make the general appearance of the browser close enough (see above post's screenshot) to what I could do with FF 3.6 or with Opera. |
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Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info said by Davesnothere:said by Xioden:Yup, I agree, I also would have stuck with Firefox 3.6 more likely than not had I not been able to change it back to how it was (see screenshot). I don't have the bookmark toolbar showing (and I didn't disable addons), but other than that, my addons, and a slightly different back/forward button and combined refresh and stop button it looks and feels the same.
This and this are all that is need to get it back the 3.6 look.
I also use Chrome a lot for videos/netflix/etc. It has a pop-out+always on top option for any video which I find handy.
Thanks for posting that. I'll investigate the add-ons, though I think that I demonstrated to myself with version 12 of FF that I could move things around pretty effectively even from a default install and no add-ons. However, I have some recent other beefs with FF, such as why there is no more 'SAVE ALL TABs as GROUP' option when you click Bookmarks in the top menu - this happened around ver 4 or 5. There are other issues, and I'll post as they come to mind....
The above screenshot is of FF 13.0.1 with no addons beyond what Moz included.
Note that the Address & Search lines now share with the Menu bar (None of that on IE since ver 6), and that the LINK bar (Bookmarks bar) content shares with the button bar (and then turn off the original link bar to get the vertical space back.).
Also note that I have put some FOLDERS in the LINK bar and that they pop down showing categorized links if clicked - A VERY powerful function ! (Though not unique to FF)
Further, I moved the 'MORE TABs' dropdown from the right to the left of the TAB bar, using 'Customize'. |
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Re: said by Dude111: quote:
So tell me, why do people continue to 'update' Firefox?
I dunno bud.... To me the FF 1.5 series is the best! (1.5.0.5 to be exact) looks and runs the best!
I too have several gripes about functionalities which FF developers arbitrarily removed/changed/renamed, as newer editions came down the pipe.
Here's just ONE :
In 1.5 (or was it 2.0 ?), they had an Arrow icon which was to the right of the address line, and you would click on it to [Enter] your typed completed URL.
I relocated it to the right of the button bar so that I could use it as the final step in a copy>new-tab>paste>enter mouse manoeuvre sequence (of a URL from a current tab), IIRC - a function which was the default action in IE for a new window in versions 5 & 6.
FF later tied this button TO the address line so that I could not independently relocate it to use as above. 
I was P.O.'d for some time, but later settled on series 3.6 until recently, when the current thread caught my eye - with its OT digression about loading all of the tabs at once or not.
You don't need a large corporation like M$ in order to 'achieve' anarchy in app development. |
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Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info said by LondonOntGuy:So tell me, why do people continue to 'update' Firefox?
Because they CAN.
( Though I know of a famous question about dogs/cats which yields the same punchline. ) |
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Re: said by HPC99 :said by Mele20:Then Mozilla must have removed that option in 9 or 10 because I don't have it in 10 ESR.
I have ESR version 10.0.5 and the "Don't load tabs until selected" option is a right where sivran said - under the General tab in Options - listed in the Startup section as a check box option (same place as my Fx 13.0.1 non-ESR version lists it). I had to look TWO more times just now after reading your post to see it. It is GRAYED OUT and in RED font on a red background so it is difficult to see but I finally saw it.
I am not sure why it is grayed out but likely has to do with either how I have Session Manager set up or with my TBE 3 extensions that control tab behavior in Fx along with Session Manager.
All "browser.session" entries in about:config are at default values (so I didn't change something there and then forgot it) so that possibility is not why the option is grayed out.
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Again, there is choice.
You have it your way, I'll have it mine.
As far as I can tell ...
(SeaMonkey) loads the first window, then loads all the other windows, then (in my case I have it set to load 0 tabs upon Session Restore) it moves sequentially through each window, loading the current tab in each, & dumping back where you last were before quitting. (In what sequence it does if you load all tabs automatically, I'm not sure?)
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you can't tell when all are loaded except by mousing over each tab or watching Task Manager for CPU usage
What are you trying to say? That MS neglected to put a network indicator icon in Vista & Win7 so that you can quickly & easily monitor such things? (I suppose there is always hope for Win8, NOT!)
Network Activity Indicator for Windows 7 |
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said by Mele20:Then Mozilla must have removed that option in 9 or 10 because I don't have it in 10 ESR.
I have ESR version 10.0.5 and the "Don't load tabs until selected" option is a right where sivran said - under the General tab in Options - listed in the Startup section as a check box option (same place as my Fx 13.0.1 non-ESR version lists it). |
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said by chachazz:said by sivran:Not sure when the option appeared. It is under the General tab in Options. My desktop has Firefox 7 and PaleMoon 12 on it. FF 7 lacks the option, but it's present in PaleMoon.
Firefox 8, November 2011. quote:
Added a preference to load tabs on demand, improving start-up time when windows are restored
Then Mozilla must have removed that option in 9 or 10 because I don't have it in 10 ESR.
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Another reason to not allow any cache on any browser. If they load from cache, then you have to restart them anyway so I don't want Opera or Fx, etc loading from cache. That reminds me of those stupid settings that should no longer exist regarding when the browser checks for a new page. Those settings have been in browsers forever and should have been removed as soon as most people got broadband. Even on dialup, I had that setting at "check every time for a new page" so why would, years later, on fast broadband (and mine is just standard RR ...not really fast but fast compared to dialup) would I want tabs restored from cache? Terrible idea. But Opera doesn't load each tab one by one starting on the farthermost left tab. It loads them according to what it thinks are the ones you will use first. I don't like that either. That's a "trick".
Plus, you can't tell when all are loaded except by mousing over each tab or watching Task Manager for CPU usage to fully die down and stay died down. At least on Fx (not Sea Monkey which is like Opera), I can tell when all tabs are loaded because I have an extension that shows a loading bar underneath each thumbnail on the tab (thumbnail on each tab in Fx is also from another extension) that is progressive so you can see when it is loaded. But on Fx, the tabs do not start loading from the top down (I have the tabs vertically on the left side). The start of loading seems random and jumps all over the place when it should be orderly from the top most (or left most) tab. These are all things that need fixing by the browser makers. Instead, they concentrate on non-useful tricks so you think your browser is faster than other browsers which is not the question that should asked. IMO, the question should be which browser most efficiently, transparently and in an orderly manner, loads all tabs when started?
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