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Re: Facebook pushes security tips to all its users Must you insist on using 'shouty caps' every time you make a point? I'm not sure it has the affect you intend it to.
A few facts to take into account:
1) Facebook is built on the premises of sharing.
2) Information not entered into Facebook cannot be shared.
3) Security settings are and have been available to users for a very long time.
4) as individuals we are all able to decide for ourselves what level of security we engage in.
What is most difficult to ignore is the assumption that you know what is best for another person. You have an opinion which you freely state. If you want others to be tolerant if this try practicing some tolerance first.
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said by dave:FWIW, the dude is fond of spamming his shouty "opinions" around the interwebs, copying them verbatim. For example, this one's repeated word-for-word here and here.
Yes, of course!
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said by norwegian:... the base settings on Facebook allow everyone to see more about a stranger and their likes and dislikes than any other social networking site out there I believe...
Thing is, most people don't seem to see this as a bad thing, and actually welcome the exposure.  |
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 Dude111An Awesome DudePremium
join:2003-08-04
USA
kudos:11 | reply to Dude111
"Users are also urged to give Facebook their mobile phone numbers"
From the original article...... Anyone who does this and thinks ITS OK,is stupid.... ITS JUST A WAY TO GET AS MUCH INFO ON YOU AS POSSIBLE AND PUT IT INTO A HUGE DATABASE...... (Which IS shared) |
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 pcdebbRIP dadkinsPremium
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kudos:5 | reply to Dude111
Re: Facebook pushes security tips to all its users and nobody has any of your info anywhere in any database in the world anywhere?
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 chrisretusnRetiredPremium
join:2007-08-13
Philippines
kudos:1 | reply to KodiacZiller
said by KodiacZiller:My daily experience with facebook:
Some dude posts a random stupid photo of some dog doing tricks.
Some person I barely know (who needs to lose a few pounds) likes Mcdonalds
Some hot chick I know bitches that her BF broke up with her (and I contemplate whether I should make a move).
Some guy I knew from HS (but haven't seen since then) puts up pics of his kids playing T-ball.
Some chick I used to bang back in college puts up pics of her and her husband (which makes me feel, strange).
Then I think about how old I am getting and then I just log off in a bad mood and wonder why the fuck I am even on FB in the first place.
Funny. LOL
I don't see these sort of things. Why? Everyone who is listed as a Friend in my account is actually a friend. In other words someone I really know. No dudes (or dudettes or hot chicks) can post to my Facebook.
If one of my Friends get too busy in Posting I can censor them. There are multiple ways to do this. I can hide post, I can limit what types of updates are shown, I can stop their post from showing. I can also unFriend them. I am in control what I see.
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Re: Facebook pushes security tips to users said by Dude111:"Users are also urged to give Facebook their mobile phone numbers"
From the original article...... Anyone who does this and thinks it's ok,is stupid.... Its just a way to get as much info on you as possible and put it into a huge database.... (Which is shared)
I edited the above because I refuse to quote shouty caps.
Now you're calling people stupid. Name calling. Seriously?
Facebook isn't the only one, Google asks for a mobile # too.
Everyone knows that people's info is very valuable. Statistics, behavior etc. It's every marketers wet dream through the history of marketing. What they aren't doing is selling you, by name to anyone. You are a statistic.
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Re: Facebook pushes security tips to all its users said by MIXZ1:As to "Duh, mobile phone"; providing the phone number to download the app, I don't recall providing my phone number to download any app from an app store. Let FB mount their downloads as downloads, not pushes to a phone number. I connect with another FB front end via WiFi on my phone. The number has nothing to do with it. said by chrisretusn:As for mobile phone and providing a number, you could be right, it just that you are using you phone so it just makes sense to me. I will have to test this out with my wife's iPhone in the morning, if I remember. At any rate, you don't have to use the app. I will ask my daughter too in the morning if she had to give a phone number to install on her iPad2 WiFi. Well I remembered.
I was wrong to assume that a phone number was a given I don't own a smart phone so should have left that alone until I verified it. Well now that I have verified it. Facebook does not required you to give them a mobile number when installing their Facebook app. I installed the Facebook app on my wife's iPhone, no number was asked for to install it. Same for my daughter, was not asked for a number to install the Facebook App.
It also looks like your assumption that you cannot install Facebook apps unless you give your mobile number.was wrong too. 
said by MIXZ1:It is undeniable that FB is harvesting cell numbers. Based on simple experience, I'd say it is deniable.
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Someone in another one of Dude's threads said they had built up a dossier on Dude111. Think their asking price was between $.10 and $.25.
Oh...and Facebook was so much better in the 80's. |
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Just earlier tonight I saw a Facebook commercial where a late teens to early 20's girl quotes having read somewhere that old folks get more anti-social as they age and how this concerned her ... so she insisted her retired parents participate in Facebook. The young girl was not impressed her parents had 18 or 19 friends because she had somewhere around 587. The message as I interpreted it was that socializing at the extreme levels is the new normal.
How is it Facebook needs to campaign and advertise for the masses to socialize? The commercial reeks of psychological mind control gamesmanship. I can admit to having matured beyond my wild and carefree attitudes into a marginally conservative and cautious individual. There are many additional activities other than Facebook that I have or am willing to speak out against: drug abuse; tobacco usage; drinking; dropping out of school; being among the following of any tight, cult like group led by a charismatic egomaniac; gang membership; excessively elevating animal rights; excessive environmentalism; using violence to spread your message of love and peace; forfeiting the right to own firearms; the loud playing of violence oriented rap music; (and many more). This list reflects my value system. It reflects my belief and honor system. It defines who I am. And let there be no mistake ... the level of socializing Facebook promotes does make my list due to concerns about the participating individuals' privacy and safety.
At the same time ... I would reject a society where individuals have lost the right to make choices that could indeed harm them. Freedom is complex and my biggest concern about Facebook is my belief it promotes a progressive agenda mindset whose end game includes the loss of many freedoms that most have enjoyed. Furthermore, any suggestion to not discuss any and every imaginable topic is attempted censorship and demands a challenge. |
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 SteveI know your IP addressConsultant
join:2001-03-10
Yorba Linda, CA
kudos:5 | reply to Dude111
Re: said by Dude111: Anyone who does this and thinks ITS OK, is stupid.... Why do you believe that you are better able to decide how to assess the impact of sharing my own data than I am?
Considering that I've been a security consultant since before you learned to type in upper case, what information might you have that I don't? Please be specific. |
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davePremium,MVM
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kudos:8 | reply to tholly911
Re: Facebook pushes security tips to all its users said by tholly911:...my biggest concern about Facebook is my belief it promotes a progressive agenda mindset ... Being a grumpy old-ish man, I was with you there until the above. What is 'progressive' about Facebook? This seems like a knee-jerk political reaction: you don't like Facebook, you don't like 'progressives', therefore Facebook is progressive?
To my mind, Facebook exemplifies right-wing corporate data-control monopolistic anti-democratic thinking Sure, I'm saying that in jest, but it's at least as valid as yours, considering that Facebook exists to make a lot of money for someone, which is hardly one of the usual 'progresssive' values. |
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I've read that the UK is trying to control "bullying" on social sites. Won't be long until the US gets that attitude.
What will probably happen is you will unfriend one of the idiots who collects friends and they will scream "bully"
The mobile apps are a pain in the butt. Not because of being social, but of use. Quite a few complaints about data usage when it's FB polling for new posts all the time. You should be notified about this when you purchase a phone - so YOU control data usage. This might also affect battery usage.
I rooted simply to get rid of FB. I use it on the PC just to check on those who have decided to do customer service that way. Plus on the PC, there's the hosts file or firewall.
I do use Twitter - but I freeze it with Titanium Backup in between posts.
I've had Yahoo, FB, and Google pester for a "public profile"
They ain't getting it. |
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Dave -- Look at the actions and not the words. Some of the richest folks around are those that preach progressive ideology and whose actions are just the opposite. (e.g. Al Gore?) Say you are for the individual and enrich yourself using political ploys and legal manipulations at the highest level. Essentially stealing from the masses, the tax payers ... that money did come from someone that had to loose it. If you can stomach a long and mostly boring history of money in a documentary that has amazing predictions right at the end >>
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9wYu1SR1Wk
Observe the predictions made in the documentary and the time frame they were made. Then ask yourself if you have noticed over the last decade any push towards one global bank/currency, a strengthening of the fed, threats against gun ownership, or many other signs the US is being shaped into a Europe. That documentary teaches the history of the fed. Absolutely amazing stuff. It also teaches about the finance of war. Scary stuff and eye opening. I keyed it up and watched 30 min a day until done ... I could not take it all in one viewing. Again, the big bombs of truth ring out in the closing predictions of the documentary. And how can I lump all this into a conversation about Facebook? Simply because as I see it ... Facebook's agenda is aligned to help the progressive cause. For me the leap is one I struggled with for some time, but once enough dots got connected ... the patterns became more obvious. |
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I think what the OP doesn't understand is that while security CAN be related to privacy, they aren't the same thing. So what is this advice being offered by Facebook?
1. Know how to spot a scam
Those bastards!
2. Choose a one-of-a-kind password
Make your Facebook password different than your e-mail. Not bad advice.
3. Confirm your mobile number
That this has privacy implications is obvious. But hey.... Nobody is twisting arms.
Not a Facebook fan either, but the best way to protect your privacy is to be un-noteworthy. Why is one member out of a billion so special to take note of?
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| said by Ian:I think what the OP doesn't understand is that while security CAN be related to privacy, they aren't the same thing. So what is this advice being offered by Facebook?
1. Know how to spot a scam
Those bastards!
2. Choose a one-of-a-kind password
Make your Facebook password different than your e-mail. Not bad advice.
3. Confirm your mobile number
That this has privacy implications is obvious. But hey.... Nobody is twisting arms.
Not a Facebook fan either, but the best way to protect your privacy is to be un-noteworthy. Why is one member out of a billion so special to take note of?
Make that 2! I'm with ya dude! You know, if you sort of make a composite of the replies to the dude, it conjures up a scene of Nixon and his aides discussing some of their dirty tricks.
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join:2000-04-13
Scottsdale, AZ
kudos:22 | reply to Dude111
Re: said by Dude111:"Users are also urged to give Facebook their mobile phone numbers"
From the original article...... Anyone who does this and thinks ITS OK,is stupid.... ITS JUST A WAY TO GET AS MUCH INFO ON YOU AS POSSIBLE AND PUT IT INTO A HUGE DATABASE...... (Which IS shared)
Communicating clearly on the Internet
without creating misunderstandings is a challenge.
One problem is that you haven't any facial expressions, body language, or environment to help you express yourself;
another that there is little "give and take" for developing what you mean to say or are discussing
These guidelines hopefully will help you:
â– Be clear
Make sure the subject line (e-mail) or title (web page) reflects your content
â– Use appropriate language
If you have a question on whether or not you are too emotional,
don't send the message, save it, and review it "later"
Remember: no one can guess your mood, see your facial expressions, etc.
All they have are your words, and your words can express the opposite of what you feel
Don't use ALL CAPITAL LETTERS--it's equal to shouting or screaming
â– Be brief
If your message is short, people will be more likely to read it
Refer to the Guide on "Writing for the Internet"
â– Make a good impression
Your words and content represent you; review/edit your words and images before sending
â– Be selective on what information
you put in an e-mail or on a web site:
Information on the Internet is very public, and can seen by anyone in the world including criminals, future employers, and governments
â– Forward e-mail messages you receive
only with permission of the sender
â– Remember you are not anonymous
What you write in an e-mail and web site can be traced back to you
â– Consider others
If you are upset by what you read or see on the Internet, forgive bad spelling or stupidity;
If you think it violates the law, forward it to the FBI or your state's Attorney General
â– Obey copyright laws
Don't use others' images, content, etc. without permission
Don't forward e-mail, or use web site content without permission
Visit the Library of Congress' Guide on "Copyright Basics" for students and teachers
â– Cite others' work you use
Refer to the Guide on "Citation"
â– Use distribution lists appropriately
and with permission
â– Do not send SPAM
SPAM is posting or e-mailing unsolicited e-mail, often advertising messages, to a wide audience
(another way of thinking of it is electronic junk mail)
â– Don't forward chain letters
If you receive one, notify your web master
â– Don't respond to "flames" or personal attacks
Contact your web master for action and referral
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Galaxy M31
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Re: Facebook pushes security tips to all its users YA Know, I don't really care about whether people like Facebook or not here. Whatever floats your boat...more power to you, either way.
BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THE PRIMARY OBJECTIVE HERE IS THAT THE INFAMOUS DUDE SHOULD EITHER BUY A NEW KEYBOARD, OR ATTEMPT TO FIX THE FREAKING STICKY CAPS LOCK KEY ON THE ONE HE HAS!!!!!!!!
THIS CRAP IS REALLY STARTING TO BRING ME TO THE BRINK OF INSANITY!!!!!!!!
YA GET IT DUDE???????? FOR GOD SAKE, EITHER BUY A NEW KEYBOARD, OR TRY TO SOMEHOW FIX THE ONE YOU HAVE!!!!!!! |
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Wormtown
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Re: said by Dude111:"Users are also urged to give Facebook their mobile phone numbers"
USE 888-555-1212
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