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Re: [OT] iPad v. Surface I could say a lot of bad things about Tim Cook but I won't here =)
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Maybe so, but my Nokia Lumina with WP7 is pretty nice. I like it more than my 4S. (Nokia work, 4S personal). |
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said by howardfine:Nokia now has junk status on Wall Street.
exactly as Apple was in 1997, trading (in adjusted dollars) for under $4
Nokia is hurting. Apple was hurting. Microsoft, however, was doing fine. Then, and now.
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said by howardfine:Ever notice how much Ballmer resembles Frankenstein? Not the more round head but the forehead and eyes.
No, he's a dead ringer for Uncle Fester, frankly. But he is a capable business leader for the company, and the people the next rung down aren't slouches either.
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Los Angeles, CA | said by JohnInSJ:said by howardfine:Ever notice how much Ballmer resembles Frankenstein? Not the more round head but the forehead and eyes.
No, he's a dead ringer for Uncle Fester, frankly. But he is a capable business leader for the company, and the people the next rung down aren't slouches either. Close...more like Young Frankenstein.
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Microsoft's Surface Tablet Will be Wi-Fi-Only Upon Debut -Bloomberg
12:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time Jun 22, 2012
Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) Surface tablet computer will initially be sold without a connection to mobile-phone networks, Bloomberg reported on its website Friday, citing two people familiar with the matter. The device, unveiled this week to compete with Apple Inc.'s (AAPL) iPad, will be equipped with a Wi-Fi short-range connection, the report said. Bloomberg also reported that Taiwan-based Pegatron Corp. (4938.TW) has contracted to manufacture the Surface, according to sources. Pegatron also assembles Apple's iPhones. Microsoft plans to begin selling the Surface later this year, changing its practice of focusing on computer sofware while leaving hardware to its partners...
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said by JohnInSJ:said by howardfine:Nokia now has junk status on Wall Street.
exactly as Apple was in 1997, trading (in adjusted dollars) for under $4 Nokia is hurting. Apple was hurting. Microsoft, however, was doing fine. Then, and now. Not exactly, see the attached chart. MSFT is off almost 50% from the all-time high in 1999-2000. IE share has plummeted. Office is being actively supplanted. Desktop computers (and thus desktop OS software) are diminishing compared to mobile devices. The mobile and search divisions have gone nowhere. Sliverlight, the "flash-killer" tanked. Truly only the Xbox division is prospering.
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Not quite sure what you meant by Office sales.
»www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/pre···ngs.aspx |
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said by Fronkman:Truly only the Xbox division is prospering.
Hm... so their revenue is rock solid for decades, and they're in trouble. The Xbox division doesn't account for any significant portion of their revenue. And their enterprise market share is unmatched by anyone.
I guess we'll just have to see how long the bubble lasts.
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said by Count Zero:He didn't say sales, he said Office is being supplanted. By Google Docs and other alternatives - IE was initially supplanted by Firefox and over time it too dwindled in importance which may be what is happening to Office right now.
»betanews.com/2012/04/19/microsof···nts-eps/
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Business. The division was the quarter's big overall performer (again); revenue rose 9 percent and income by 14 percent year over year.
Annuity licensing continued to lift sales, an ongoing trend. "MBD revenue increased primarily reflecting sales of the 2010 Microsoft Office system. Business revenue increased $469 million or 11 percent, primarily reflecting growth in multi-year volume licensing revenue, licensing of the 2010 Microsoft Office system to transactional business customers, and an 11 percent increase in Microsoft Dynamics revenue. Consumer revenue increased $16 million or 2 percent due mainly to increased sales of the 2010 Microsoft Office system", according to the company.
More numbers: Multi-year license revenue grew by 13 percent, Dynamics CRM by 30 percent and Lync by 35 percent.
Like Server & Tools, Business division is largely insulated against sluggish PC sales. Sixty percent of revenue comes from annuity licensing to businesses.
Looking ahead to fiscal fourth quarter, Microsoft expects double-digit volume-license growth.
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I didn't agree with a lot of what was said there.
However, I was watching "Mac Break weekly" recently and I think they had a fairly impartial outlook from seasoned technical writers in the industry. |
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| said by Octavean:I didn't agree with a lot of what was said there. Like what, for instance?
However, I was watching "Mac Break weekly" recently and I think they had a fairly impartial outlook from seasoned technical writers in the industry.
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kudos:1 | said by bobrk:said by Octavean:I didn't agree with a lot of what was said there. Like what, for instance? However, I was watching "Mac Break weekly" recently and I think they had a fairly impartial outlook from seasoned technical writers in the industry.
You know Gruber falls into that category, too? And he is a frequent guest on that show. Sure, for example, the crash on the Surface tablet during the demo wasn't triggered by simply waking the device from sleep, it seemingly froze from launching IE 10 Metro version. It looked to be frozen on the Bing search page. I'm not sure why he would suggest otherwise. It seems to lack attention or interest in what was occurring.
As for the name Gruber, no never heard of him / her nor do I watch the Mac Break Weekly podcast with any regularity. |
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Google Docs? Ha. Google Docs (or any open source Office) cannot even hold a candle to Microsoft Office. I have tons of business clients and 100% of them are using Microsoft Office. In fact, I sold a local hotel here 5 copies of Office 2010 Professional a month ago. I have a copy on my machine - it loads stuff W A Y faster than open office. I mean instantly faster - even with a large excel file that I originally created from Open Office. I constantly get doc files that looks like crap in Open Office but looks great in MS version.
Open Office is only great for home use (for now.) Google Docs is great for sharing information online - that's about it. |
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said by Octavean:I didn't agree with a lot of what was said there. However, I was watching "Mac Break weekly" recently and I think they had a fairly impartial outlook from seasoned technical writers in the industry. Â I don't either. |
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said by Razzy:Google Docs? Ha. Google Docs (or any open source Office) cannot even hold a candle to Microsoft Office. Sales of anything does not always translate into quality. Just because most people buy it, why do they do that? Because almost always it's because everyone else does and "you're supposed to" and usually for no other reason.
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Google Docs is great for sharing information online - that's about it.
Since everyone does everything online nowadays, that's a huge "it" factor. My company has never owned a copy of Office. We use Google Docs for most things and Libre Office/OpenOffice for everything else. Almost all our customers send us stuff using Office and we communicate back and forth with no issues.
Which brings me back to my first point. Like a lot of things, people buy Microsoft Office because someone told them to, not because they had to, and in almost all cases, you can use OpenOffice or Google Docs and get the same thing with the same quality that everyone can use everywhere on any machine.
That "everyone can use everywhere on any machine" is something MS Office will never do. |
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Please quit lying.
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| said by Razzy:she designed me a newspaper ad with Microsoft Word. Emailed it to me and once I opened it - it didn't even come close to display what she designed. [...]
Please quit lying.
As always, it depends on how the user uses the tool. For everyday regular old mostly text documents, yes, you can use them interchangeably. So, no, he's not lying, so please quit with the name calling. It's not necessary. |
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| I did not deny that. I'm talking advanced feature. I said it'll fit great for home use. Hell WordPad will work just fine as a basic document =)
I hope you all realize MS has an online version of Office (like Google Docs) and you can create/edit for free on live.com. |
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