 mozerdLight Will Pierce The DarknessPremium,MVM
join:2004-04-23
Nepean, ON | reply to BellBoy
Re: [OT] iPad v. Surface I like it a lot .... My wife likes the keyboard built into the cover. My opinion is that Microsoft have a potential home run.
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 OctaveanPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-31
New York, NY
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said by bobrk:said by Octavean:I just watched part of the Microsoft Surface Keynote. It looks as if one of the Surface Tablets crashed or was frozen during the demo,....
Do you have a link to the keynote? It's about 13 and a half min in when as a demo IE (Metro version) is launched and after that it becomes unresponsive. They then switch to another tablet in a "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" kind of way.
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said by JohnInSJ:The x86 version is a hybrid laptop/tablet running full desktop apps. It should do quite well for those wishing mostly tablet, but full wintel app suites, and occasional laptop-like behavior. How may of those "full wintell app suites" are optimized for tablet use?
In my opinion, the thing that ALWAYS killed every other MS attempt at a tablet was the interface of the OS or apps were never truly made for a tablet. You always needed a keyboard or stylus to really use it decently, but frequently ran into problems anyway because most of the apps were NEVER designed with a tablet in mind.
That's the advantage that Apple has, they made a whole new ecosystem that didn't allow desktop apps to run in the touch (iPhone/iPod/iPad) environment. Desktop based apps had to be remade with touch as a MAJOR design function to run on the touch based gear. Android has done that pretty well to.
Launching a "tablet" with a keyboard available by default (like MS just demo'd) screams slim laptop (netbook), not tablet. Why should developers put any real effort into recreating their apps again so they don't require a keyboard and be focused on being touch oriented if that's the case?
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join:2001-08-01
Bellevue, WA | reply to Octavean
said by Octavean:said by bobrk:said by Octavean:I just watched part of the Microsoft Surface Keynote. It looks as if one of the Surface Tablets crashed or was frozen during the demo,....
Do you have a link to the keynote? It's about 13 and a half min in when as a demo IE (Metro version) is launched and after that it becomes unresponsive. They then switch to another tablet in a "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" kind of way. I'll try not to read too much into it but it did get a chuckle out of me. Agreed. Funny, but not uncommon. There were plenty of Steve Jobs Keynotes where things went awry - »youtu.be/KsKKQNZG3rE |
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Then you don't understand Win8 if you think things aren't designed for a tablet. In fact MS has made resolution and input requirements for applications on Win8 just ensure support for the tablet market.
While the x86 tablets and desktops will support legacy apps, the ARM market will only support applications designed to run in the Metro UI.
It's a transition time for MS application developers and MS is pushing them hard. Just as Vista was a transition to get developers to stop writing applications that required admin privs to run, which MS had been trying to get them to do for ages. |
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join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA
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said by BellBoy:said by JohnInSJ:said by BellBoy:Think about what phone you were using in 2007 I had an HTC phone with full touch and keyboard running windows CE. I also had a PalmOS-based phone. Apple didn't invent smart phones with touch screens, you know Didn't say that, but I did say that Apple innovated. Their product blew Windows CE out of the water and out of business. No, you claimed we all used feature phones before iPhone came out. In fact, we did not. Apple did an incremental improvement without cut and paste (yes, I do remember that too) and they found a sweet spot. A grid of icons wasn't the big breakthrough IMHO, it was putting your finger and not a stylus on glass and not on a resistive (scratch prone) sheet of plastic.
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 RobIn Deo speramus.Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
kudos:3 | reply to BellBoy
What exactly has Apple innovated on the iPhone that others have knocked off? I'm an iPhone user who will never switch, but it bugs me when people make the comments you made.
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said by DrDrew:said by JohnInSJ:The x86 version is a hybrid laptop/tablet running full desktop apps. It should do quite well for those wishing mostly tablet, but full wintel app suites, and occasional laptop-like behavior. How may of those "full wintell app suites" are optimized for tablet use? Anything Metro is optimized for touch/tablet. The use model for Win8 is Metro for tablet, full app for keyboard + touch as mouse. The next version of Office has a "touch mode" with larger icons (widely reported google office touch mode)
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said by howardfine:They show it running Windows applications but, in mobile, that world doesn't run Windows applications. That world runs on Google, Apple, Facebook and Amazon among a few others. How well will this tablet work as a new entry to the internet. After all, hardly anyone uses Windows phones or anything else Windows related on mobile.
Metro. Metro. Metro. You know, Metro - the thing everyone was whining about on Desktop Win8. That's where you find those awesome slimmed down apps with big buttons you can touch with your fingers.
Take a look at the current Metro News, Finance, Travel, Sports, Weather, and Maps apps in Win8 - along with the Email and Calendar. THOSE are what your tablet Win8 apps will be like. You use the full desktop apps (on x86) when it's used like a laptop.
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 MospawMy socks don't match.Hawaiian Jellyfish
join:2001-01-08
Mile High
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said by JohnInSJ:You use the full desktop apps (on x86) when it's used like a laptop.
The desktop is not the internet or mobile. How well does it work when someone is in the car and wants a map with driving directions? What does it offer over the iPad? Notice they didn't mention battery life. |
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 ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
kudos:4 | reply to BellBoy
»m.gizmodo.com/5919521/microsoft-···obsolete |
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 MajestikWorld TravelerPremium
join:2001-05-11
Tulsa, OK
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said by howardfine:said by JohnInSJ:You use the full desktop apps (on x86) when it's used like a laptop.
The desktop is not the internet or mobile. How well does it work when someone is in the car and wants a map with driving directions? What does it offer over the iPad? Notice they didn't mention battery life. Battery is everything with me.
This surface seems to compete with that Trasformer tablet or netbook.
Don't see what it has to do with an iPad. Never needed or wanted a keyboard. I just pull out my iPad and get busy like I'm doing now on a sailboat between Macau and Hong Kong.
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I had to do it.
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OctaveanPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-31
New York, NY
kudos:1 | reply to howardfine
said by howardfine:said by JohnInSJ:You use the full desktop apps (on x86) when it's used like a laptop.
The desktop is not the internet or mobile. How well does it work when someone is in the car and wants a map with driving directions? What does it offer over the iPad? Notice they didn't mention battery life. You keep referring to it as a singular product which isn’t accurate. Microsoft showed an ARM version AKA Windows RT and an x86 version AKA Windows 8. Therefore, it is plausible that each partner will launch at least two versions.
So if Microsoft has five launch partners we may be looking at twelve different devices (including Microsoft’s offerings). I think it unlikely they will all launch at the same time though. More devices may trick in later as well.
Anyway, my point is that in order to differentiate themselves, manufacturers may get creative. One product might have GPS and LTE while another might not. Again its not a single product.
For example, the Acer Iconia W700 Windows 8 tablet has an Intel Thunderbolt port and will presumably be citing an 8 hr battery life (likely Intel Ivy Bridge based).
However, to answer your question, any of today’s PC laptops, notebooks, ultra books and netbooks should allow for the installation of a USB or Bluetooth GPS. The installation of navigation software (without the need of a constant internet connection) should also be trivial. Therefore any Windows 8 tablet should be able to do the same thing (assuming GPS isn’t built in). |
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 J E F FWhatta Ya Think About Dat?Premium
join:2004-04-01
Kitchener, ON
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The PlayBook is a good device, very poorly marketed and very poor OS to begin with. (No e-mail, no calendar?) ... RIM should have waited 6 months before that release. But the device itself, once they polished the OS to PB 2.0, was technically better than the iPad (1) and iPad2...(battery camera, it had GPS, more DPI on the screen, much better sound)...this coming from someone who owned all Apple devices and this PlayBook. Now that iPad (3rd) is out, RIM or Microsoft or anyone else is going to have a hell of a time to catch up....not saying it's game over, but just like MS cornered the desktop/laptop world, Apple has done the same with their iPad.
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DrDrewSo that others may surf.
join:2009-01-28
SoCal
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Where's the "ctrl+atl+del" button on the Surface? It's running Windows after all...
Last year's Microsoft endorsed, iPad "killer", HP Slate running Windows 7 had it. It was a requirement of last years Windows 7 Tablet PC spec. I'm just wondering what happened to it....
Curious what MS has in mind for the 2013-14 "mobile PC" launch, since they have a great history of relaunching such computers every year or two.
Windows for Pen Computing: 1, 2
Windows CE
Pocket: PC 2000, 2002
Windows Tablet PC: XP, 7
Windows Mobile: 2003, 5, 6, 6.1, 6.5, 7
Windows Phone
Windows Surface/Metro
I guess sooner or later something will stick.
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join:2001-01-02
Forest Grove, OR
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Better version  |
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