| Linus Torvalds Flips The Bird To NVIDIA Watch Linus Torvalds Flip The Bird And Say ‘F**k You’ To NVIDIA:
A few days ago, Linux creator Linus Torvalds talked in front of students at the Aalto University Center for Entrepreneurship in Otaniemi, Finland. The chat and its Q&A session was around an hour long and while the bulk of it is probably quite interesting, the best bit — by far — occurs at the 49-minute mark when Torvalds delivers his very frank opinion of NVIDIA and its support for Linux. |
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 firephotoFacts hurtPremium
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Brewster, WA | »www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl···#t=2980s
That link goes to the point in the video where he talks about android and nvidia.
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 RyanPremium
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Nvidia? Seriously? Never had an issue with an nvidia card under linux yet my ATI 5850 performed worse then a built in intel video card on my laptop. As far as I know ati is still terrible under linux to this day, why is he pissed at nvidia? |
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 SnakeoilIgnore Button. The coward's feature.Premium
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kudos:1 | Agreed. I never has trouble getting my Nvidia cards to work with linux, one reason why I'm a fan/customer of theirs. |
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 graysonfPremium,MVM
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Fort Lauderdale, FL | There's a lot more to Nvidia than just video cards.
They also do PC chipsets, and I suspect this is where the problem lies. |
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 reub2000Premium
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Evanston, IL | reply to FF4m3
Didn't watch the whole thing, but I'm thinking this is about their SoC and android, not their X11 drivers.
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kudos:1 | said by reub2000:Didn't watch the whole thing, but I'm thinking this is about their SoC and android, not their X11 drivers. I didn't watch the whole thing either. I only watched the minute or so where he was talking about NVIDIA (at around 49:15) and he was talking about Android. |
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said by firephoto:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MShbP3OpASA#t=2980s
That link goes to the point in the video where he talks about android and nvidia.
Nvidia has horribly fsked up tegra2/android/linux kernel driver access for those wishing to roll their own updates to orphaned hardware, for example. He may be talking about that. --
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The full video is worth a watch.
Torvalds discusses his technical background, C language programming, why Linux hasn't overtaken the desktop, Google, Android, Apple, the GPL, [re: kernels] he calls Microsoft liars and says that they're full of s**t (to audience applause), Linux commercialization, many interesting audience questions, startups & open source, gaming platforms, entrepreneurship, being offensive, open source organization and development models, his dislike of Stallman, inspiration, passion, childhood education & Raspberry PI and more, all with a bit of humor. |
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said by JohnInSJ:Nvidia has horribly fsked up tegra2/android/linux kernel driver access for those wishing to roll their own updates to orphaned hardware, for example.
He may be talking about that.
That's my thought, the question was Optimus related but he started talking about android.
Nvidia has great hardware with their ARM setups but you're kind of stuck with what you're given on the software side it seems by all the intarweb grumbling one can read about.
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said by FF4m3 :
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occurs at the 49-minute mark when Torvalds delivers his very frank opinion of NVIDIA and its support for Linux.
Well my opinion is the SAME VERY FRANK one to you Linus and your kernel Illumanti. 
Get it through thick skulls nVidia is NOT GOING:
1) open source - they said this flat out
2) support - KMS - they have said ths flat out, and I don't want it or need and if it fubar's up waycrap, GOOD! no GREAT, NO !*$&!(*&! FANTASTIC!
3) Optimus - YOU, LINUS And KERNEL Illumanti ARE THE PROBLEM! They asked for a change to help resolve this abomination (optimus) and you pulled out your Standard 1A jerk attitude! And your the ones calling them names! PUHLEASE! yes, I am aware of the GPL issues in re this... but IF THEY REALLY WANTED TO SOLVE this they would do whats needed on this front. No they INTENTIONALLY ARE BLOCKING this... because of #1... FUGHETABOUT IT! ITS NOT HAPPENING! Get over it! Be !@*(&$!()*! glad they support Linux as well as they do! 
Optimus be crApTI, nVidia , craptel or what ever combonation of this crap laptop makers are producing is just assinine. No you need not trot out the power saving, yadda yadda, yadda. Then use a PROPER CHIP SET, one that has the power saving you want for the laptop, not mix and match chipsets and hope and pray it works. That I put at the feet of laptop OEM/ODM's. They created this mess, not fix it! Get a proper chip set from the vendor!
I ONLY use nVidia for graphics, and the OEM driver.
I ONLY use AMD processors. I didn't care for the purchase of crapti by AMD when they did it, and I still don't. (Not that they really give two !@()*$!()* about my opinion.)
I DO NOT USE crapti graphics or intel processors or chipsets, unless forced to by no other options by vendors. Vendors who get an earful about lack of AMD, nVidia options.
This is HOW NOT TO SUPPORT AN OEM ON LINUX, Period!
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said by FF4m3 :he calls Microsoft liars and says that they're full of s**t (to audience applause)
Always the class act 
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| said by JohnInSJ:said by FF4m3 :he calls Microsoft liars and says that they're full of s**t (to audience applause)
Always the class act Not always, he states. Torvalds also says that he expresses himself honestly. It's all in the vid. |
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San Jose, CA | reply to FF4m3
Re: Linus Torvalds Flips The Bird To NVIDIA Linux has its place and I use it daily, but Nvidia isn't missing anything. Where Linux matters is in the enterprise, where we don't care about the GUI. Server management is done by CLI, and even when a GUI is required just the basics is all that's needed. No one cares about FPS, and hence video drivers, and no servers are running Nvidia chipsets.
The only people that care about the latest drivers is on the desktop, and the Linux desktop userbase is less than 2%. If I were Nvidia I wouldn't devote many resources to that market either. |
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| said by Wily_One:No one cares about FPS, and hence video drivers, and no servers are running Nvidia chipsets. I'm not going to check each server to get an exact count but I estimate that about 40 servers I'm responsible for have motherboards based on nVIDIA MCP55 Pro chipsets.
These aren't video/graphics chips, they are server chipsets including network interfaces, PCI-X and PCIe bus drivers, SATA disk controllers and more.
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| Almost all of the ones with nVIDIA chipsets are Supermicro. The Dell servers are all based on Intel chipsets and the IBM servers seem to have a different chipset vendor for every model (Broadcom, Intel, ...).
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1 edit | Well I guess you can call anything you want a server, but you won't find Supermicro in any enterprise data center I've ever seen.
And let's back up a bit - so you have some boxes with Nvidia chipset. So what? Nvidia exited the chipset market a couple of years ago. Whatever Linux drivers you have for it would have been out by now, so by this point it either works or it doesn't. What does Linus expect from them? I think this goes to my initial impression is that Linus is referring to GPU drivers and not chipset drivers. |
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| said by Wily_One:Well I guess you can call anything you want a server, but you won't find Supermicro in any enterprise data center I've ever seen. FYI:
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