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sporkme
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Sonetel?

I saw one mention of them in the forum here.

Anyone currently using them? The feature set looks interesting, prices are fine, looks like multiple devices are supported without a bunch of additional fees.

Is there a catch?
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said by sporkme:

Is there a catch?

1. No proxy of the audio. Could cause issues for users behind NAT.

2. Business customers only. Requires a company name to sign up.
said by »www.sonetel.com/site/pmwiki.php?···greement :

Sonetel hereby grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable, worldwide right to use the Service, solely for your own business purposes

3. No E911.
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reply to sporkme
I found Sonetel to be somewhat confusing.

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I'll bare my soul here and say that these are the 3 providers that I've found confusing enough that they've been not worth it:

(Alphabetical order):
Anveo, Phonebooth Free, Sonetel.

This is NOT necessarily a question of complexity.

Phonebooth Free is NOT complex, just confusing as hell even for things that should be SIMPLE. It's hard to put into words. With them, it was something like the Heisenberg "Unusability" Principle. When I took care of [a], then [b] had to be reset. But when I reset [b], then [a] got messed up. An endless loop. And their documentation seemed to mainly consist of self-congratulatory videos.

With Anveo, several others have commented on how turgid it was for them, so I know it's not just me.

I had hoped that Sonetel would be more straightforward than Anveo, but somehow it had its own sargassum.

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Is this because of lack of mental acuity on my part? Or that at age 56 my brain is no longer flexible enough?

No, I think not, because I have [no] problem figuring out how to use Voip.MS. And although Voip.MS does not have every single feature that Anveo does, Voip.MS remains a very advanced and feature-rich provider....


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With Sonetel, your Ass is on the line.
.

Sonetel's lawyers have some chutzpah.

If you subscribe to US phone numbers, you agree that Sonetel's service does not qualify as a "VoIP interconnected service" in the meaning of the applicable FCC regulations and orders, or if considered to be a "VoIP interconnected service", it is your responsibility to only use the Service fully in compliance with all FCC requirements applicable to "VoIP interconnected services", including but not limited to emergency services requirements.

So they are saying that:

1) It is [NOT] an interconnected service, thus not subject to 911 rules.

BUT

2) [If it IS] deemed to be an interconnected service, it's the customer's ass on the line.

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reply to PX Eliezer
Sonetel's pricing is curious:

Canada-british Columbia 250 $0.002
Canada-british Columbia 604 $0.004
Canada-british Columbia 778 $0.002

778 is overlayed with 604 and 250. One would think the rates would be the same.

said by PX Eliezer:

Or that at age 56 my brain is no longer flexible enough?

So. Tempting. But in the interests of Father's Day I will refrain


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said by PX Eliezer:

I'll bare my soul here and say that these are the 3 providers that I've found confusing enough that they've been not worth it:

(Alphabetical order):
Anveo, Phonebooth Free, Sonetel.

I find both Anveo and Sonetel to be easy as a piece of cake. I have not tested Phonebooth, but looking at their website it looks easy. You are tempting me to test Phonebooth, if there still is a Phonebooth Free I might sign up and test it.

said by PX Eliezer:

I had hoped that Sonetel would be more straightforward than Anveo, but somehow it had its own sargassum.

I have signed up for Sonetel. But I do find them to be too easy and their feature list is also too short to be in my taste.

said by PX Eliezer:

Or that at age 56 my brain is no longer flexible enough?

We do share the same age, so I don't think the issue is brain flexibility. Maybe we look at things differently. I do find configuration of Linksys devices to be a PITA, but I believe you find it easy.

A good advice. When you try Anveo, try to think of it as a car driver. The Call Flow path is the road and during the drive you have road signs with different options or information. Turn left if a business customer calls outside of office hours, or turn right if the call is within your office hours.
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reply to Mango

said by Mango:

778 is overlayed with 604 and 250. One would think the rates would be the same.

Well, they are offering a "blended" rate; their cost varies with which carrier owns the number called, but their charge is the same.

Likely, for a sample of their traffic or in general, a higher percentage of minutes goes to more expensive carriers in 604 than in 250 or 778.

If most of your 604 calls are to landlines or major cellular, you'll do better with Alcazar Networks at $0.00284. Note that they bill by LRN. There is a free manual LRN lookup on their site. They also offer an LRN API at $0.0002/lookup.


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said by PX Eliezer:

.

Sonetel's lawyers have some chutzpah.

According to their Terms and conditions there are several members of this forum who are forbidden to access their service.

said by »www.sonetel.com/site/pmwiki.php?···greement :

You may not access the Service if you are a direct competitor of Sonetel, except with Sonetel's prior written consent. In addition, you may not access the Service for purposes of monitoring its availability, performance or functionality, or for any other benchmarking or competitive purposes.

Sonetel is located in the European Union state of Sweden.

Julian Assange will soon get to know the prison system in this state for a year or so before he is extradited to the USA.
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PX Eliezer
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He will write it down in his diary, which clearly follows the Julian calendar.



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said by PX Eliezer:

He will write it down in his diary, which clearly follows the Julian calendar.

With his diary he will be able to dream about a better life when he is serving life in a US federal prison.

He will also realize his biggest mistake in Sweden was to forget having a lawyer at his side when he had sex with those women. Sweden is one of few states where consensual sex could be changed to rape if the female part later regrets the act.
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reply to PX Eliezer
Ok, PX. I give up. What's confusing about Sonetel?

I signed up, noticed I had $0.10 free credit, (yay!), configured my phone as per the docs, and it worked. That was it. It was entirely anticlimactic. I did it all while holding a baby.

Looks like they're a Voxbone reseller. I got an Iristel DID, in the same NPA/NXX as my Anveo DID.

Audio for my test outgoing call was via 67.16.117.236. Audio for my incoming call came via 81.201.82.171. Though my ping time is high to those IPs, latency was excellent (only measured aurally), and a tracert showed both of them just eight hops away.

Edit: Inbound SMS works and is fast.


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reply to PX Eliezer
"Is this because of lack of mental acuity on my part? Or that at age 56 my brain is no longer flexible enough?"

As a mere lad of 56, your brain still has plenty of flexibility. Time to worry when you begin to notice flexibility in certain other body parts!!

Ron

Edit: Corrected spelling.



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said by Mango:

Audio for my test outgoing call was via 67.16.117.236. Audio for my incoming call came via 81.201.82.171. Though my ping time is high to those IPs, latency was excellent (only measured aurally), and a tracert showed both of them just eight hops away.

I was not so lucky as you when testing Sonetel outbound. I made three test calls to destinations priced at 0.007 Euro ($0.0088).

All I got on those three calls was some strange noise for 4-6 seconds each. None of the calls connected.

Even worse, I was charged 0.06 Euro ($0.0758) for each call. So now my account has a balance of -0.08 Euro (-$0.1011).
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said by Mango:

Ok, PX. I give up. What's confusing about Sonetel?

I signed up, noticed I had $0.10 free credit, (yay!), configured my phone as per the docs, and it worked. That was it. It was entirely anticlimactic. I did it all while holding a baby.

1) I didn't have a baby available.

2) They have made their signup process somewhat easier than it used to be, it looks to me.

3) It's not the basics that are confusing, but the features beyond the initial setup, such as using your Sonetel line to make an outbound call through a different provider. (Why would one want this anyway?)

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said by PX Eliezer:

1) I didn't have a baby available.

I cannot argue with your logic


sporkme
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reply to sporkme
I tried them out last night and it was interesting. It came very close to doing what I wanted and then I saw that "ring groups" are not yet implemented.

There is something vaguely confusing about the admin panel, and I think it's that they sort of lump in general admin features with the user admin - there's no clear separation. And you have to have to keep their use case in mind when trying to figure things out.
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said by PX Eliezer:

I didn't have a baby available.

You just need to produce a baby and you will have an easy time with Anveo, Phonebooth and Sonetel in 9 months.
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Stewart

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reply to PX Eliezer

said by PX Eliezer:

... It's not the basics that are confusing, but the features beyond the initial setup, such as using your Sonetel line to make an outbound call through a different provider. (Why would one want this anyway?)

For all the usual reasons, including:

1. To get a better rate. (Sonetel's rates are very aggressive. Some will knock your socks off, e.g. $0.002 to most of Canada. However, there are always quirks, e.g. Sonetel $0.048 to France Free mobile vs $0.0073 for CheapVoipInc.

2. To work around a connection or quality problem. (I have not experienced such with Sonetel, but it eventually happens with every provider, especially if you are calling less-developed countries.)

3. Because Sonetel does not terminate to your destination, e.g. a premium-rate number.

4. For a special feature, e.g. sending a specific caller ID, better fax reliability, avoiding error announcements in a language that the caller doesn't speak, etc.

5. The "provider" is actually a service such as Tropo that will do some special processing.

6. For a non-technical reason, such as spending down your balance with a provider that may not stay afloat much longer.

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Fax testing:

It took 10 tries for Sonetel to receive a fax from my office fax machine. In their defense, this fax machine is known to have a low compatibility rate, and if something can receive a fax from it, it's going to be compatible with pretty much everything on the market.

First 4 tries were at 400 PPI with ECM.
Next 4 tries were at 200 PPI with ECM
Next 2 tries were at 200 PPI without ECM.

I sent a fax to Sonetel using AcroVoice; it worked the first try.



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reply to Arne Bolen

said by Arne Bolen:

We do share the same age, so I don't think the issue is brain flexibility. Maybe we look at things differently. I do find configuration of Linksys devices to be a PITA, but I believe you find it easy.

I fully agree ...

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