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Re: [Other] Microsoft to Launch Tablet to Rival iPad? said by aurgathor:said by mozerd:My speculation is that Microsoft will be very price aggressive to gain market share FAST.
RT -- start at 399
Pro -- start at 599
Market share is everything and Microsoft understands the politics of MARKET SHARE.
My guess would be the RT being $100 - $150 cheaper than a comparable iPad, and the Pro being $100 - $200 more expensive than the RT. That would mean that: a) with the RT, one gets roughly the same thing and the same amount of processing power for less money b) with the Pro, one gets significantly more processing power for roughly the same amount of money It will be interesting to see, if in the name of "competition" will Apple cut the price of the iPad to undercut Microsoft? They both can sustain heavy losses in order to maintain/gain market share.
This war will push prices on all the other Android products down also, in order for them to keep market share.
Interesting times ahead.
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| It's quite funny to see the news saying Windows Phone would overtake iPhone by 2015. Myself - before this Windows 8 phone was announced, I would have a hard time believing it. Now I see 8 in the news... my thoughts changed.
Definitely a different story with iPad. |
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said by elwoodblues:This war will push prices on all the other Android products down also, in order for them to keep market share.
New Android tablets (7", 1GB of RAM, v4.0) can be had for as little as $99 and even more upscale products are usually not that expensive.
Look at this list of Android tablets and compare it to the list of Windows tablets
The latter, in general, are significantly more expensive, much more than what could be explained by more memory and faster CPU.
So I don't think the M$ tablets will have much effect on Android prices, perhaps with the exception of the very high end, but Windows tablets, that's a whole different ballgame, and I think that explains all the sour grapes from makers of Windows tablets.
As for iPad prices -- I think Apple may cut prices, but that probably only happens if they have a very significant decline in sales. But given their fanbois, that's not very likely in the short term.
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said by elwoodblues:It will be interesting to see, if in the name of "competition" will Apple cut the price of the iPad to undercut Microsoft?
In the Jobs biography, he said they don't pay any attention to Microsoft, or anyone else, when it comes to these things. |
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said by aurgathor:Look at this list of Android tablets and compare it to the list of Windows tablets
The latter, in general, are significantly more expensive, much more than what could be explained by more memory and faster CPU.
Sorry, no,....
I really don't think you can or should directly comparing ARM Android tablet pricing with existing X86 / X64 Windows based tablet pricing. I mean what are you expecting to accomplish by making such a comparison,...?
The high-end Windows tablets with Intel Core i5 and i7 processors at $1000+ are in a different category altogether,....... |
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| What I'm saying is that the cost difference in retail price is not proportional to the DMC. (Direct Material Cost)
In other words, the margin on Windows tablets is probably significantly higher than on Android tablets, and that may change when the Pro is released. Obviously, it is not going to dirt cheap, but it's likely to be a better value than many Windows tablets in the current crop. For M$, it makes sense to go for marketshare, at least initially, and don't worry too much about profits.
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OctaveanPremium,MVM
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Sorry no, still not getting what you're saying.
Intel core i5 and Core i7 based tablets are not as cheap as nVidia Tegra 3 ARM SoC based tablets for example and for very good reason. I don't think margins are pushing prices of high-end x86 / x64 tablets higher then Android based ARM tablets if that is what you're saying,.....its an entirely different class of product and entirely different class of performance thats demanding a different (higher) price range. |
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Tom's Hardware is finding the same thing I posted earlier. Business analysts don't think highly of Surface:
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Microsoft's Surface was compared to "well designed, but traditional sports utility vehicle that can haul boats and climb a hill of rocks." The firm said that it doubts that "consumers will trade sports cars for trucks.
... it was unclear what Microsoft was trying to achieve with the tablet how a "mishmash" of Windows for desktops and for tablets could make sense.
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| said by howardfine:... it was unclear what Microsoft was trying to achieve with the tablet how a "mishmash" of Windows for desktops and for tablets could make sense.
Really? Unclear how an integrated offering from desktop to phone, including both a consumption-oriented and a hybrid laptop-tablet, all with a single API for Metro apps and a single store makes sense?
Weird that it makes sense for Apple, but not for Microsoft.
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And there's bazillion other articles saying it makes sense.
Heh. |
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said by aurgathor:said by elwoodblues:This war will push prices on all the other Android products down also, in order for them to keep market share.
New Android tablets (7", 1GB of RAM, v4.0) can be had for as little as $99 and even more upscale products are usually not that expensive. They are crap running 2.2 on an underpowered processor. IMO this the exact problem with the Android market, no standards, anything can pass itself off as a "Android" Tabelet, but will it run apps? Not a chance in hell.
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said by Razzy:And there's bazillion other articles saying it makes sense.
Heh.
The difference is, these are quotes from business analysts for large investment firms and not some tech writer somewhere. |
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said by elwoodblues:They are crap running 2.2 on an underpowered processor.
The one I quoted is running Android 4.0, and it was available in Frys this weekend.
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Really? They don't pay attention to Google and Android? |
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Ok......
»www.computerworld.com.au/article···nalysts/ |
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If Microsoft wasn't forcing desktop users to use a mobile interface then these analysts wouldn't have even brought it up. Especially forcing this interface on Server 2012. They could've released Windows 8 with the mobile interface for mobile devices while the traditional desktop interface stays on the desktop with 32-bit and 64-bit apps working on either.
Microsoft brought this issue on themselves by overreaching and not truly listening to all their customers...consumers and businesses alike. |
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| said by kickass69:If Microsoft wasn't forcing desktop users to use a mobile interface then these analysts wouldn't have even brought it up. Especially forcing this interface on Server 2012. They could've released Windows 8 with the mobile interface for mobile devices while the traditional desktop interface stays on the desktop with 32-bit and 64-bit apps working on either.
Microsoft brought this issue on themselves by overreaching and not truly listening to all their customers...consumers and businesses alike.
They didn't force me to use Metro UI on my Windows 8 desktop, although I use Metro Start Screen (which I like better than old start menu). I am using the "traditional desktop interface" the entire time I'm using Windows 8 on my desktop machine. |
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| You know what I mean, being forced to use the Metro Start Screen and having to go back and forth between that and the desktop interface vs just booting into the desktop interface and avoid Metro altogether. Microsoft removing that option sealed the deal on these analyst's and others view on Windows 8 when used on a Laptop/Desktop with no touch interface. |
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said by kickass69:If Microsoft wasn't forcing desktop users to use a mobile interface then these analysts wouldn't have even brought it up.
Start Menu vs Metro screen - after you get over it, you'll be over it. It takes about 10 seconds.
But anyway, that's the way they're going. If you don't like it, stay in the desktop on server.
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