 49528867Premium
join:2010-04-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL
kudos:3 | reply to Zach 58
Re: got my smart meter today said by Zach 58:New electronics monitor both hots with respect to ground and will register usage if either is lost. Negative on that, if one hot leg or the other is lost on a standard 240 volt single phase meter it's goes dead and records nothing as the meter has no connection to ground or neutral.
Wayne
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Fort Lauderdale, FL
kudos:3 | reply to Fronkman
said by Fronkman: How does the POCO know that someone isn't on a home ventilator or an oxygen concentrator? That person would need to pre-register with the power company and then their account would be flagged “medical necessity,” however such a flag will not prevent a disconnection due to non-payment it is there only as a restoration priority.
What if it is an old person in the South in the Summer? Do you think the POCO really wants that legal liability if they die?
Medical necessity or not the bottom line is don’t pay the power bill and sooner or later the light will go off and stay off.
Wayne
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| here they cant shut off power if it gets too hot or too cold. |
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| said by jchambers28:here they cant shut off power if it gets too hot or too cold.
What if they shut it off before it's too hot or cold? Do they have to turn it back on? |
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| No. Once it's off, it's off until they make payment arrangements to get it reconnected. |
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said by scross:said by fifty nine:said by Fronkman:[
They aren't going to disconnect someone for "excessive usage" as long as they are paying the bills.
They don't even disconnect people here for late payment. To get disconnected here you need to be seriously late, as in 2 months or more and you'll get letters, phone calls and a red tag on your door well before they flip the switch and cut you off. Targeted rolling blackouts may make sense, but this doesn't happen in most location in the US, so it wouldn't really make sense for the POCO to install it for this purpose. And they can do rolling blackouts without smart meters. They've been doing them for a while now without smart meters. That's the way they'd normally handle it around here, too (mutiple warnings), but I'm not sure that's still true for the Smart Meters - at least the ones with the remote disconnect switch built-in. Easy-on/easy-off, sooner-rather-than-later is one of the selling points of these switches. The sequence and timing of these events may be more of a regulatory or policy issue rather than a technical one, though. As far as rolling blackouts go, we've never experienced that here, AFAIK. But what has happened, at least two or three times that I can remember, is that on really hot, sunny days one or more of the local transformers has overloaded, gotten too hot, and exploded, taking out a whole block or two of homes with it. Which means a multiple truck roll, with no electricity for several hours on some of the very hottest days. All told, I think I'd rather go with the rolling blackouts or load shedding. We have smart meters with remote disconnect and the co-op is on record saying you will get multiple warnings before you get disconnected. They won't just disconnect you if you're a day late for example.
But if you continuously pay extremely late they'll disconnect you more quickly to discourage you from playing fast and loose.
But even so, they will always try to work it out with you and I believe state law says they have to give you the option of budget billing. |
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 FronkmanAn Apple a day keeps the doctor awayPremium
join:2003-06-23
Saint Louis, MO | reply to 49528867
said by 49528867:said by Fronkman: How does the POCO know that someone isn't on a home ventilator or an oxygen concentrator? That person would need to pre-register with the power company and then their account would be flagged “medical necessity,” however such a flag will not prevent a disconnection due to non-payment it is there only as a restoration priority. What if it is an old person in the South in the Summer? Do you think the POCO really wants that legal liability if they die? It has happened down where folks have passed in the heat after their power was disconnected due to non-payment and the utility has never been held responsible, last year an entire family perished in a home fire after their power was disconnected and they resorted to using candles for lighting one of which caused the fire. Medical necessity or not the bottom line is don’t pay the power bill and sooner or later the light will go off and stay off. Wayne Like I already said, non-payment gives them a legal justification to shut it off and the smart-meter makes it simpler than rolling a truck.
However, there is NO WAY they would shut a PAYING customer off just because they were using too much electricity. Do they not have vulture scumbag lawyers where you live? Any sort of injury arising from the disconnect would cost the POCO thousands of times more than the extra generation cost. It isn't just people on home ventilators who are vulnerable, old people, babies and the disabled also can be seriously hurt. Lawyers love injury cases involving babies or disabled people. There is NO WAY smart meters are going to be used in this fashio.
Like others have mentioned, the POCOs already have the ability to use rolling blackouts if there is a severe over-demand situation. In fact, have a smart meter and a process to register those with medical necessity would actual IMPROVE the situation because you could target specific places.
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| One would think that if you're using a large amount of electricity that they'd alert the law first before disconnecting you. |
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49528867Premium
join:2010-04-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL
kudos:3 | reply to Fronkman
said by Fronkman:Like I already said, non-payment gives them a legal justification to shut it off and the smart-meter makes it simpler than rolling a truck. And a lot safer too...
Citing Florida's controversial ``Stand Your Ground'' self-defense law, a Miami-Dade judge Tuesday ruled a homeowner was justified in pointing a rifle at two Florida Power & Light workers who entered his rural property to shut off his electricity.
The ruling drew immediate criticism from the utility company, which under state law has the legal right to enter a property to disconnect the power.
``We are disappointed in the ruling because we feel it has the potential to put our employees in the field at significant risk,'' FPL spokeswoman Jackie Anderson said.
Circuit Judge John W. Thornton Jr. granted immunity to Ernesto Che Vino, 42, clearing him of two felony counts of aggravated assault with a firearm, and a misdemeanor count of improper exhibition of a firearm.
The judge left in place a misdemeanor count of unlawfully discharging a firearm in public -- stemming from a volley Vino fired into the air as he hustled the terrified FPL workers away.
Wayne
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FronkmanAn Apple a day keeps the doctor awayPremium
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Saint Louis, MO | said by 49528867:The judge left in place a misdemeanor count of unlawfully discharging a firearm in public -- stemming from a volley Vino fired into the air as he hustled the terrified FPL workers away.
Wayne
At this point you couldn't PAY me to enter the state of Florida...
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| said by Fronkman:said by 49528867:The judge left in place a misdemeanor count of unlawfully discharging a firearm in public -- stemming from a volley Vino fired into the air as he hustled the terrified FPL workers away.
Wayne
At this point you couldn't PAY me to enter the state of Florida... In Indiana you can now legally stand your ground against the police too. |
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Anyway, I think the smart meter disconnects will be valuable for those times when emergency load reductions are necessary. Instead of blacking out an entire neighborhood via primary remote disconnects, MOST houses could be shut off while leaving those with critical life support devices energized. That level of granularity would be helpful. |
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| Even the thing that Jack and others are most afraid of - load control - is actually better than a complete rolling blackout of an entire area.
The load control devices are installed on water heaters and central A/C or heat pumps. For water heaters they're just shut off during demand periods, and practically no one notices. For A/C or heat pumps they just raise the temps a few degrees in the summer during the demand period.
But for most people these are optional and not part of the smart meter program.
What the smart meters DO allow is ETS, where ceramic bricks are heated to store heat during off peak hours and you use it during peak hours. But you get a separate meter and a lower rate for the ETS heating. |
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Zach 58Premium
join:2006-11-26
NW Minnesota | reply to 49528867
said by 49528867:said by Zach 58:New electronics monitor both hots with respect to ground and will register usage if either is lost. Negative on that, if one hot leg or the other is lost on a standard 240 volt single phase meter it's goes dead and records nothing as the meter has no connection to ground or neutral. Wayne My bad, it's the KV2c series that will continue to register provided any two circuit elements remain.
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scross
join:2002-09-13
Cordova, TN | reply to fifty nine
said by fifty nine:What the smart meters DO allow is ETS, where ceramic bricks are heated to store heat during off peak hours and you use it during peak hours. But you get a separate meter and a lower rate for the ETS heating.
One of the things our utility has suggested for those of us on the TOU pilot is to set our programmable thermostats (I just got a new one of these myself) to chill the house down to a lower-than-normal temperature during off-peak rates, in order to see well it holds that chill during on-peak periods. The hope is that this will minimize the use of the AC during on-peak rates.
They want us to experiment and get back to them on how well this works, or doesn't. Given the amount of thermal mass in the walls, ceiling, floor, furniture, and so on, if the house is fairly air-tight then this might work pretty well, just as long as you don't freeze yourself out while you're sleeping. We'll have to wait and see, though. |
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scross
join:2002-09-13
Cordova, TN | reply to Zach 58
said by Zach 58:The 'A' within the darkened circle indicates the power is on, within the proper range and the meter is connected to the system for which it's programmed. If this icon is blinking, either the voltage is out of range or the meter has a configuration problem.
The other upper case 'A' in your pic is the TOU rate-period indicator. Usually, 'A' indicates the off-peak or base-rate period while B-D indicate a peak-rate period.
I checked my meter this afternoon during peak rates and it showed a 'D'. Right now during the evening off-peak rates it shows a 'C'. If I can remember I'll check it again in the morning off-peak hours to see if it shows anything different then. |
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scross
join:2002-09-13
Cordova, TN | reply to AsherN
said by AsherN:But doesn't the smart metre give the POCO the ability to know where i the house you're having sex? 
No, it only knows if you're making good use of something really powerful, such as this: »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitachi_Magic_Wand
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can you post a photo of what they look like. |
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It's scrolling now closed and KWH. But no load data. I have to wait 3 days before setting up a account to look at usage tools at poco site:(. Too bad these do prevision as fast as cable boxes.
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