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Re: Simple solution... It is more than that it is 18 mins every hour. And the time seems to be growing more and more. It is very interesting to go back and look at the run times of shows and see how much more commercial time they have added at the same time increasing carrage fees. |
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| said by Qreptiles:It is more than that it is 18 mins every hour. And the time seems to be growing more and more. It is very interesting to go back and look at the run times of shows and see how much more commercial time they have added at the same time increasing carrage fees.
its 18mins of ads per non-prime time hour. Prime time TV shows are only 32 or 28 minutes long now, with about half of the hour long time slots going to ads. Its the reason I have a DVR now, because the freaking ads are annoying. I will never watch a live TV event, because i dont want to watch the ads that insult my intelligence and assume that I care who is selling what. |
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| NCIS episodes are 41-44 mins on last season. I just checked to make sure because I had those shows handy. Most are 42-43 which is 17 or 18 mins and that is on one of the most popular scripted shows in primetime. |
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| The more popular shows bring in more advertising revenue per commercial, which is why they can have longer runtimes even with higher production costs. The episodes of Star Trek: The Next Generation that I have on my computer are almost universally between 42 and 43 minutes each, while each episode cost upwards of 1 million dollars, and this was back in 1994 at the very latest.
It's the less popular shows that require so much more advertising to recoup their low budgets. |
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Camden, TN | reply to Chubbysumo
said by Chubbysumo:said by Qreptiles:It is more than that it is 18 mins every hour. And the time seems to be growing more and more. It is very interesting to go back and look at the run times of shows and see how much more commercial time they have added at the same time increasing carrage fees.
its 18mins of ads per non-prime time hour. Prime time TV shows are only 32 or 28 minutes long now, with about half of the hour long time slots going to ads. Its the reason I have a DVR now, because the freaking ads are annoying. I will never watch a live TV event, because i dont want to watch the ads that insult my intelligence and assume that I care who is selling what. Those annoying ads pay for those shows you love so much. I'm not sure why you expect people to provide you entertainment for free? Do you work for free? If networks aren't allowed to make money form ads they'll make money some other way. Some way you can't get around and will end up costing you more $$$$. |
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| said by BF69:Those annoying ads pay for those shows you love so much. I'm not sure why you expect people to provide you entertainment for free? Do you work for free? If networks aren't allowed to make money form ads they'll make money some other way. Some way you can't get around and will end up costing you more $$$$.
There is very little meaningful content these days, so what exactly are those ads paying for other than to line the pockets of the execs? Shows arent that expensive to produce and market now, and I also pay for cable TV, so, why should I watch ads? Same as the internet based ads(that I have blocked with AB+). I pay for my internet connection, I should not have to view crappy ads that are injected for pure profit by my ISP, nor should I have to help support a site by hurting my eyes and ears from those flashing noisy ads.
Either way, in most cases today, the actual shows are as valueless as the ads. Lets get a-la-mode channels so that I can choose to only pay for the 12 channels I actually watch, and let the rest of the subsidized crappy content die, so that we can actually get quality content produced again. |
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said by Qreptiles:NCIS episodes are 41-44 mins on last season. I just checked to make sure because I had those shows handy. Most are 42-43 which is 17 or 18 mins and that is on one of the most popular scripted shows in primetime.
All I hear on those popular shows is "brought to you with limited commercial interruption by "product company"". They are only that long because an advertiser is garnering your attention by buying up all the ad space and then letting the show run longer.
commercial breaks get longer and longer all the time. Its only a matter of time before it self implodes because people quit watching shows because the adverts are so annoying, its cheaper and easier to shut the TV off. Longer adverts just drives more to DVR it/record it, or just pirate it without any ads at all. |
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said by Chubbysumo:Shows arent that expensive to produce and market now, and I also pay for cable TV, so, why should I watch ads?
How much does it cost to produce and market a one hour program for network prime time TV? |
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| said by Rangersfan :said by Chubbysumo:Shows arent that expensive to produce and market now, and I also pay for cable TV, so, why should I watch ads?
How much does it cost to produce and market a one hour program for network prime time TV? definitely not as much as the current gravy train brings in. Between payments from ads, and payments from retrans and other stuff, im betting that they make tons.
The other problem lies in that if the ads disappear, they need to make proportionally more content, which costs proportionally more, so they would need to find another way to recoup some of those increased costs(which probably wouldnt be too much, but they like their profit margin to remain the same), which would mean increased retrans fees. To hell with the current model, I want my a-la-carte channels, this in and of itself would kill crappy content, because if its not drawing viewers, the channel would die pretty fast. |
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| said by Chubbysumo:definitely not as much as the current gravy train brings in. Between payments from ads, and payments from retrans and other stuff, im betting that they make tons.
Provide some numbers. I'm also wondering if prime time programming is so profitable, why do we see so many programs being canceled each season. |
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The lead reasons are:
They weren't a SMASH hit, episode #1.
They were HORRIBLE and should NEVER have been put on the air to begin with.
The station has moved the shows time slot so many times, the fans can't find it..
They are controlled by morons who wouldn't know a hit show if it bit them on their a......
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Nope most people do not work for free, but most people also do not get a few million to work only 1/4 of the year. Pay the big name stars less across all productions and the content makers wills save money.
the Actors will not see much difference going from a few million to making say 300k a year... its not like they will go hungry, might have to live with only one house and a mid range BMW though. oh the horrors.
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| said by Kearnstd:the Actors will not see much difference going from a few million to making say 300k a year... its not like they will go hungry, might have to live with only one house and a mid range BMW though. oh the horrors.
LOL. You can explain this to the actors. When you finish talking to the actors, go explain the same thing to professional athletes so that the costs of attending a game will go down. |
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said by JRW2:There are too many reasons to fully explain that..
The lead reasons are:
They weren't a SMASH hit, episode #1.
They were HORRIBLE and should NEVER have been put on the air to begin with.
The station has moved the shows time slot so many times, the fans can't find it..
They are controlled by morons who wouldn't know a hit show if it bit them on their a......
I thought that it had to do with poor Nielsen ratings which determine what rates can be charged for advertising. If prime time programming is as profitable as was stated earlier, why would the Nielsen ratings even matter? Why would any programs need to be canceled if prime time programs are making the huge profits as stated? |
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said by Chubbysumo:Same as the internet based ads(that I have blocked with AB+). I pay for my internet connection, I should not have to view crappy ads that are injected for pure profit by my ISP, nor should I have to help support a site by hurting my eyes and ears from those flashing noisy ads. While I agree that ads on websites are really obnoxious and even an outright security risk sometimes but comparing website advertising and TV advertising is entirely wrong. Your ISP makes no money off of website advertising (unless your ISP is up to something fishy) and the website doesn't see a cent of what you pay your ISP. Your ISP keeps all the money you pay them for themselves and the website can only recoup its costs from advertising, donations, or whatever it sells. |
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| said by CWO333:While I agree that ads on websites are really obnoxious and even an outright security risk sometimes but comparing website advertising and TV advertising is entirely wrong. Your ISP makes no money off of website advertising (unless your ISP is up to something fishy) and the website doesn't see a cent of what you pay your ISP. Your ISP keeps all the money you pay them for themselves and the website can only recoup its costs from advertising, donations, or whatever it sells.
Very true. The same may also be true for some of the local broadcast networks. Some channel charge the provider a retransmission fee in order to broadcast the channel. Thus, part of the fees paid to the TV provider go to the broadcast channel.
Other local broadcast channels may charge no retransmission fee to the provider. Thus, no amount of the the fee that you pay the provider goes to the channel. Those channels depend totally on advertising revenue. |
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Where does this free garbage come from?
Ads run during the shows. Paid. Consumers have to Pay for TV subscription. More money. Then days or weeks later you can choose to skip the ads.... and they want to gnash their teeth and scream and threaten. Screw them....
Free my ass. Paid handsomely, yes.
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